r/politics • u/croato87 • 6d ago

America Lost the First Biden-Trump Debate Soft Paywall

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/america-lost-first-biden-trump-debate-1235048539/
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u/PriveChecker182 6d ago

Just weird that in the whole western hemisphere the last 12 hours have only been about how Biden flunked and Trump is apparently the "winner"..

Because trump was the same guy he's been for 9 years, and Biden humiliated himself. I'm a Biden supporter, and it's the truth. The man did not perform as needed.

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u/invokereform 6d ago

Yup. Biden was the only candidate who spoke with substance but sounded like shit. Most independent people won't look past his speech issues.

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u/Nukemind Texas 6d ago

Exactly what I felt and I didn’t watch, just listened while working.

First 30 seconds I even sent a text asking if he looked sick as his voice was off.

Biden may have stumbled but he spoke nothing but facts. That doesn’t matter. People are looking at candidates and comparing them to what their current opinions are of them. Trump came in and, thanks to the muted microphones, didn’t appear AS MUCH OF a bully as he usually does. He had some verbal diarrhea but he sounded strong.

Biden sounded old and tired.

Biden did a lot of things I like and I’m voting for him. But all I’ve heard at work today is how old he sounded, how weak he sounded. That’s what people are looking at unfortunately.

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u/DoctorDilettante 6d ago

Stop lying mate. Biden did not speak nothing but facts. He confused Medicare with immigration, said something about there being thousands of trillionairs(?) and I honestly don’t know what else he was trying to say here because he was befuddled, and then tried claiming he has built one of the strongest economies we’ve ever had. NOONE LIVING IN THIS ECONOMY FEELS THAT WAY.

If we want any hope of keeping Trump out of office then we have to start being honest and stop burying our heads in the sand.

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u/jamiestar9 6d ago

Biden immediately corrected himself on saying trillionaire instead of billionaire. That happens all the time with people saying billion and meaning million or vice versa and not correcting themselves. His point was that the ultra wealthy in America are not paying their fair share, far from it as a percentage of their income.

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u/Overall-Injury7462 6d ago

This was a bad line. Billionare’s wont win you the presidency. Every day Americans that are struggling with prices do. This line didn’t help me pay for my electric bill

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u/jamiestar9 6d ago edited 6d ago

Are you a real American voter or someone outside the country trying to influence our election? What sort of weird comment was that?

Biden isn’t courting billionaires, he is saying billionaires and everyone pulling in $400k income per year are not paying the right percentage of taxes. If that gets corrected government policies that help the middle class like the affordable care act and social security will be strong.

Why are people making $100,000 per year helping the incredibly well off to get away with paying such a low percentage in taxes? Republican policies are mostly for the benefit of the very rich, which is probably not most of you. And even a good number of the wealthy see the percentage they are paying and are perplexed. Yes the dollar amount the wealthy pay in taxes may seem high to the average worker, but the PERCENTAGE of their income is what counts.

The rich be like “Look, look everyone, Biden tripped over his words in the first debate. That automatically means we get to keep paying a low percentage of our income in taxes through 2028! Thems the rules!”

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u/Overall-Injury7462 6d ago

Yes, I’m a real voter. I live in Texas that swings republican anyways. This is not what I thought he was saying in the debate. It was like he was bragging that he’s created more billionaires. I’ll go back and listen. Seriously not trying to pick a fight. Also, I know he says that he didn’t raise taxes on anyone making less than 400k but technically my money doesn’t go as far as it used to so I see it’s as a round about tax. The build back better plan exploded the inflation rate. After this was done, everything I need to spend money on went up. My electric bill was never over 200$ in Texas summer and now I’m paying 400$+

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u/jamiestar9 6d ago

Ok, well sorry for questioning whether you were a real voter then. I hope over the next four months you become convinced to vote for Biden. I too believe real inflation is higher than what is being reported and that sucks for the middle class and lower income folks. I don’t think the executive branch has the power to fix it alone. Biden needs a democrat majority in both houses of congress. Also I hope the next emergency when congress decides to do stimulus they make sure the money gets to those who truly need it for essentials. Way too much of the stimulus went to those who did not need it for essentials.

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u/DoctorDilettante 6d ago

We’ve know about this though. He’s had 3 and a half years to do something about it… he’s destroyed this economy and the people hurt the worst are the average Americans. The middle class has now been decimated.

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u/jamiestar9 6d ago edited 6d ago

I believe the high inflation we are experiencing is due to the federal reserve printing a lot of money combined with the huge amount of stimulus congress passed that disproportionately went to people and businesses that did not need it for essentials. Americans typically look to the president to fix the economy but there is only so much power the executive position has. That is why Biden needs a democrat majority in congress so we can fix the tax situation (and also eliminate or at least raise the social security contribution cap). Trump lied about both in his remarks. One would think people would be concerned about Trump’s tax cuts for those making over $400k per year. Biden wants those cuts to expire. Trump wants to renew them.

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u/hurler_jones Louisiana 6d ago

How are they supposed to make record profits during a pandemic and beyond though? Sell things for a smaller profit so the economy doesn't come to a screeching hault?

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u/111IIIlllIII 6d ago

what policy decisions did biden enact that supposedly "destroyed" this singular thing called "the economy"

what objective measures are you using to determine that the "average american" is worse off under biden's term?

tell us how a bill is passed

most of what you say is fiction: https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2024/03/22/the-economy-is-much-stronger-than-four-years-ago/

to the extent that there are slivers of truth in your comment, the blame is much more easily attributable to the republicans elected to congress than biden

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u/DoctorDilettante 6d ago

I didn’t want to believe that /r politics was a bunch of people refusing to come to grips with reality but it actually appears to be true. No point in reasoning with people who are actively tuning out what’s happening in the world.

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u/111IIIlllIII 6d ago

uh huh. well i wish you the best of luck! god bless

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u/wirefox1 6d ago

Just like there is no reasoning with someone who I'm beginning to think is a republican bot?