r/politics • u/ben_watson_jr • May 19 '24

How Can This Country Possibly Be Electing Trump Again? Soft Paywall

https://newrepublic.com/article/181287/can-america-possibly-elect-trump-again
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u/b0w3n New York May 19 '24 edited May 20 '24

There are a lot of troubling views about the middle east lately and using that (coupled with foreign influence) to proclaim they won't vote for Biden since he isn't handling it the way they want him to handle it.

Like... y'all think Trump is going to be better? Dude literally made a "muslim ban". He has a good chance to take the win. Do I wish it was other choices? Sure. Do I wish we had ranked choice? Absolutely. But I'm not going to court fucking fascism because I think Old Man Biden isn't acting perfectly.

Edit: Here come the Trump bots and astroturfers

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u/Wonderful-Region-424 May 19 '24

This so much. do they really think Jared Kushner will solve the Middle East this time in a fair way that maximizes human welfare and sustainable nation-building? 😛

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u/Square-Blueberry3568 May 19 '24

100% the system isn't gonna get fixed if less people participate.

Seriously though for anyone who actually cares about the middle east, you should be voting. Not voting is saying you care more about your personal feelings than actual peoples lives.

"Don't blame me, I voted for kodos!"

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u/Jediverrilli May 19 '24

That’s the biggest thing with me. All these so called “leftists” saying that if they don’t vote Biden it will teach the Democrats a lesson and run a better candidate.

The problem with that idea is if Trump wins odds are there won’t be another election for these morons to vote in.

I wish people were not so stupid that they could see what is right in front of them. Watching this election from Canada right now and it amazes me how stupid people are.

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u/Square-Blueberry3568 May 19 '24

Also in reality if Trump does get in and doesn't irreversibly.damage the democratic process, the democrats are actually more likely to choose a less suitable candidate and the party will go further right.

Why would they try and get fickle non voters to vote when they could court the centre right away from republicans instead.

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy May 19 '24

I got banned from uh... r/lostgeneration I think? For saying basically what you just said.

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u/dryopteris_eee May 19 '24

I got banned from r/latestagecapitalism for similar sentiments. I was promoting liberalism and using the "lesser of two evils" argument (also not being pro-China and pro-DPRK). I'm convinced that leftist spaces are being infiltrated and influenced by right wing propagandists looking to discourage people from voting.

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u/GetRightNYC May 19 '24

Of course they are! Their main tactic it to divide and conquer.

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy May 19 '24

Unfortunately for them, we're mostly old hat at noticing the increasing levels of shittness and just sliding into the next space over without missing a beat. Ask MySpace how that goes lol.

Like banning me from one corner of the internet will stop me from climbing on my soapbox on the next corner and picking up my lecture where I left off. Hah. Just means I'm repeating "letting the red hats do genocide here won't help anybody getting genocided on the opposite side of the planet" on every other corner I wander past.

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u/AffordableTimeTravel 26d ago

Same and same. All the political and news sections of Reddit are absolutely cooked if they don't do something about the clear and obvious astroturfing happening. They even leak into other areas of Reddit that are non political, if there's a large following and dialogue, you can expect propaganda trolls.

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u/smartpeoplearerare May 20 '24

Oh, good grief. You are a plant. You never got banned for that.

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u/Fun_Situation7214 May 19 '24

Haha I was banned from r/conspiracy for saying there isn't anything wrong with punching nazis. Apparently they're a marginalized people

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u/smartpeoplearerare May 20 '24

I got banned from here for attacking nothing other than an idea. This is an echo chamber. No room for competing ideas

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy May 20 '24

Depends on the idea. Generally I like to at least look at ideas and see if there's any value to them, but honestly there's a few that I'd like to bury at the bottom of the ocean.

Same way with books. I love books, can learn something useful out of almost any book, but now and then I find one with zero redeeming value that is actually so poisonous I won't keep it on the shelves. Last one was an Ayn Rand that got stuffed in a hole in the kitchen so the kitten couldn't climb in there again.

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u/FredoBagginz May 19 '24

We’re already courting fascism.

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u/LostTrisolarin May 19 '24

I've recently talked to many 18 year old leftists who say they are voting for Trump because the GOP couldn't possibly make life any worse for Palestinians and Muslims.

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u/Sufficient-Object-29 May 19 '24

It's scary to think how Trump would have handled.

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u/Ok_Zebra6169 Tennessee May 20 '24

Trump didn’t start a new conflict. Biden has us involved in two.

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u/Dedbedredhed5291 May 31 '24

Trump dramatically increased U.S. conflict with Iran and Syria, which led to deaths snd severe injuries to scores of American soldiers based in the region.

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u/Ok_Zebra6169 Tennessee May 31 '24

Dude, that’s not backed up at all.

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u/Oh_mycelium May 20 '24

You mean you don’t wanna start wars with Iran willynilly cause someone ambien tweeted threats?

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u/johnny_fives_555 May 19 '24

Choosing perfection over good enough has always been the pitfall of the democrat voter. The inability to choose the lesser of two evils is one of the reasons we’re in a situation like we’re in today with roe being overturned turned and abortion pretty much being banned in many states.

The concept of voting for someone you don’t entirely believe in but is miles better than the other guy goes against the core of some if not many liberals. Because at the end of the day they’re still voting for someone they deem as “evil”.

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u/floopyboopakins May 19 '24

Dude that's literally what they want. That's why they think Biden isn't handling it properly.

Idk where you're seeing this talking point within Democrat circles. Those talking about withholding their vote are blatantly against US aid being given to Isreal because it's killing the people in Palestine. Which is apart of the middle east.

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u/Mediocritologist Ohio May 20 '24

Withholding your vote for Biden all but ensures the killing and displacement of vastly more Palestinians. At least Biden can be reasoned with, he’s already not fond of Netanyahu and has shown a willingness to clamp down on Israel.

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u/johnny_fives_555 May 20 '24

This.

Republicans are great at voting against their self interest. Democrats are great at not voting for “principals” and allowing something worse to scape by.

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u/johnny_fives_555 May 19 '24

Vs Trump would just send troops in to directly join the fight?

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u/Ok_Zebra6169 Tennessee May 20 '24

Because in four years Trump Never sent troops in anywhere..

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u/vrbuner May 20 '24

Maybe it’s because ;the Democrats continually talk down to the Republicans. Calling people a “cult”. How ridiculous! We have a real problem at the border. We have a real problem with the rising cost of just about everything…especially groceries, gas, and medications. The Baby Boomers are trying to retire but our retirement funds have seen 2 stock market crashes and the Social Security system we have paid into for 40+ years is being continually threatened. We have lost faith in the government. Certainly in someone that has been in the government for as long as we have been paying into our SS accounts. The system is catering to large corporations and billionaires. The congress go into office voting on their own salaries and benefits. They are swayed by monetary offers and they leave office as millionaires.

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u/No-Task2556 May 20 '24

The Dow is up 45% under Biden. Biden had a border bill that gave republicans almost everything they wanted but Trump sunk it. Most Boomers are already able to take social security and it’s fine at this point. Biden has lowered insulin prices already and addressed caps for all drug spending per person as well. The US under Biden has lower inflation than any other country. You are 100% wrong. Go look it up or go back to Cultville.

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u/smartpeoplearerare May 20 '24

I have some miraculous snake oil for you that will cure anything. Just send me 20 bucks if you still have it. I’m not sure you will, because you’ve already bought the bull that you just espoused.

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u/PhilosopherBusiness6 May 19 '24

There was no Muslim ban. But after 911, who cares if there were.

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u/VacantBasement May 19 '24

He didn't make a Muslim ban. You are either purposely lying or are just ignorant. The fact you think Biden is doing a good job is scary. Our country is fucked at the moment. Unless you are super rich, I don't understand how you could vote for the continuation of the ruining of our country.

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u/Dedbedredhed5291 May 31 '24

Trump signed two executive orders to ban admission of Muslims and citizens of several other Muslim majority nations. The only reason it didn’t happen is because the courts blocked them from taking effect.

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u/PineappleUnable1004 May 19 '24

I like Trump.