r/doctorwho • u/BigTourist3 • 2d ago
Currently doing a rewatch of 11 and Clara’s run together and I noticed something Discussion
Clara’s first line is “what chapter are you on” And when the kid responds “chapter 10” she says “oh you’ll love 11, 11s the best” which I think is a clever nod to his current regeneration, and I also never noticed that the painting in the beginning was of Clara
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u/GenericRedditor7 2d ago
Moffat did that a lot lol, remember “11s hour is over now, now the clock strikes 12?” Or something like that in 11s last episode?
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u/Duggy1138 2d ago
And "Asylum of the Daleks":
How much trouble, Mister Pond? Out of ten? Eleven.
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u/ThrawOwayAccount 2d ago
Also S5E1 literally being called The Eleventh Hour.
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u/Mavian23 2d ago
Well to be fair, that one at least is an actual expression.
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u/EclipseHERO 2d ago
Yeah, but it was being used as a pun in that context, because it referred to his 11th regeneration.
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u/jimsug 2d ago
Interesting that it wouldn't have been his eleventh regeneration if it weren't for Ten's metacrisis regeneration, and still isn't if you count the War Doctor 🤣 Moffat really leaning into "there is no canon"
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u/Unmissed 2d ago
...well, yeah. Moffat had to have his doctor be the oldest and last and...
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u/SubGothius 2d ago
Prolly not least so he could solve the limited-regens conundrum and get the show past it, at least for another 12 regens to come.
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u/mightylordredbeard 2d ago
I missed that completely until my most recent, current rewatch. When it finally clicked for me I was “ohhh shit!”
Reasons like that is why Moffat is my favorite show runner. RTD is okay, but I really didn’t get the excitement when he was revealed to be coming back. For me personally Moffat writes the best long term Who. Like that scene where Amy has to keep her eyes closed in the forrest and The Doctor comes back and says “you have to start trusting me..” then it’s revealed like so many episodes later that it was The Doctor from the future?
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u/GenericRedditor7 2d ago
Yeah RTDs idea of an overarching plot is mentioning things in the finale like once an episode or even less (Bad wolf, Susan twist, prime minister Saxon, the stars are going out), Moffat does actual plots for better or worse
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u/NotMalaysiaRichard 2d ago
Yes, like how Oswin is introduced in the Asylum of the Daleks and then Victoria Clara, then Companion Clara and then the reveal in the Name of the Doctor.
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u/Goulagosh_gogoo 2d ago
I don’t get it.
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u/GenericRedditor7 2d ago
The 11th doctors leaving - “11s hour is over now”
The 12th doctors being introduced - “now the clock strikes 12”
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u/EclipseHERO 2d ago
11th Doctor's first episode: The 11th Hour.
11th Doctor's last episode: "11's hour is over now"
11th Doctor in between: has spent hundreds of years pottering about
That's one HELL of a long hour!
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u/GuyWithTheGoods 2d ago
Yes, in Night of The Doctor. It was funny how 11 smirked and didn't get it.
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u/Standard-Pop6801 2d ago
Season 7 had a lot of wink to the camera moments like that. Even compared to other seasons.
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u/mightylordredbeard 2d ago
Was S7 when Clara literally turned and winked to the camera?
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u/Standard-Pop6801 2d ago
I don't know. But if it had to happen at any time, then it would be season 7 Clara. Girl was a wimzy overdose.
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u/mightylordredbeard 2d ago
It was whichever episode she first appeared in that I’m thinking of. The very last scene of her as a Dalek. “Run you clever boy, and remember.” Then she turns and winks at the camera.
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u/technicolorrevel 2d ago
Subtle man, that Moffat.
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u/KyrieFae 2d ago
^ Love this ✨
It works both as sarcasm and as a sincere note on his writing style.
For me, I think he's as subtle as a jackhammer outside your window at the crack of dawn but I also deeply relate to a lot of the themes he appears to really enjoy. It's probably different for others and I respect that. 😇
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u/Critical-Tank 2d ago
12 also did lots of references to the number 12 but I can't remember them off the top of my head now. I do love catching them on rewatches!
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u/ConfusedGrundstuck 2d ago
"On a scale of 1 - 10 how much danger are we in?" "Eleven"
It was also done in lots of other episodes too. In the slitheen 2-Parter, the emergency code announcing the reveal of The Doctor is "Code 9" :)
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u/TheMTM45 2d ago
I knew about chapter 11 but I never noticed the painting. That’s cool
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u/BigTourist3 1d ago
Yeah, it is really cool and another cool detail that you can notice is in the bottom corner of the painting it literally says “run you clever boy” which is a really awesome nod
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u/Gargus-SCP 2d ago
Steven "The" Moffat beating the viewer's head with a baseball bat marked "DID YOU KNOW THIS GUY IS THE ELEVENTH DOCTOR HOLY SHIT" every single episode in the back half of Smith's tenure.
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u/Duggy1138 2d ago
How many times did this take you?
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u/BigTourist3 1d ago
Well, here’s the thing it’s more like I got some references because I had seen the episode with her originally when she was in the episode with Amy and Rory as the Dalek but other references, such as the painting and the “chapter 11” kind of went over my head because I was so engaged with the episode episode that I didn’t take the time to slow down and look through everything
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u/Ulquiorra1312 2d ago
Clara’s first line is did you make this snowman
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u/Duggy1138 2d ago
"Day three six three. The terror continues. Also, made another soufflé, very nearly. Check defences. They came again last night. Still always at night. Maybe they're vampires. Oh, and it's my mum's birthday. Happy birthday, mum. I did make you a soufflé, but it was too beautiful to live."
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u/Ulquiorra1312 2d ago
Ah feck I forgot asylum
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u/SunGodGumo 2d ago
Even then, with that logic that wouldn’t be her first line, it would be in asylum of the daleks
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u/SunGodGumo 2d ago
The post is clearly talking about companion Clara, not Victorian Clara. Yes I know they’re the same person but come on.
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u/Ulquiorra1312 2d ago
I’m only just upto bells of Saint John so not fully up on 11
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u/ConfusedGrundstuck 2d ago
Yeah but... that doesn't counter those points lol If you're up to Bells Of Saint John then you already know of those 2 prior characters. Further knowledge of the series isn't required.
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u/Ulquiorra1312 2d ago
Yeah but I already replied that I forgot asylum i meant I don’t know what is going on with her yet so didn’t know how Clara’s arc progressed past bells
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u/SunGodGumo 1d ago
What does not knowing Clara continues in the show have to do with her first line in the show? Even then, if that’s your logic why comment
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u/Ulquiorra1312 1d ago
I mean I don’t know how they are all connected for all I know they’re the same person with memories altered I assume not from replies and I don’t want spoilers but there are a lot of scenarios where they are one person
Reminder I have only seen asylum of the darleks and the snowmen at this point Clara wise
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u/EmergencyGrab 2d ago
I wonder if Mrs Flood is related to Clara, and they both are of the species called Storytellers.
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u/sad_wolf_95 2d ago
The book was also written by Amelia Williams