Well yeah, you were a kid so you didn’t know it was political. I mean when Princess and the Frog came out there was some outrage about being too woke and having a black princess was somehow placating to minorities.
I don't think it's "politics" specifically that people complain about, I think it's "pandering to politics" that they feel.
What I mean is I don't see complaints about all politics, only when it's hot-topic, recent, controversial "politics".
Like, personally I don't consider minorities existence as "politics", but race/gender is a hot topic for politicians. We'll see people complain about minorities casting all the time as "politics" but what they really mean is "pandering".
I'm not saying I agree with them, only pointing out the detail no one seems to acknowledge. The white elephant in the room. (That it's not just "politics")
You just highlighted pretty well that what people think of as “political issues” changes over the decades.
Being black or gay used to be super “political”. Now, those things seem kinda solved (or at least not argued as much) and it’s about being trans or a drag queen.
Disney has always tried to write stories current with the politics of the time, albeit in a safe family-friendly way.
Right, that's what I'm saying, your first 2 paragraphs. I disagree on the 3rd though: Disney was not always progressive (but that was before any of the films mentioned in the pic).
I think people complain about it more now because it's become more prevalent in politics. Before racism and misogyny were just accepted and the as time went on the strive for equality has been met equaly with those who feel threatened by equality, so there's a lot more pushback. We didn't have "go woke go broke" because those people were a smaller audience. Sure they were probably racist and misogynistic back then still, but now more of those people feel emboldened in their bigotry.
I don’t disagree that we are currently in a wave of conservative pushback. For a while the conservatives were being begrudgingly dragged forward. They didn’t like it, and they grumbled, but they saw the inevitable tide of progress. But now…the recent rallying cry that not only is all this progress bad…but it’s literally going to steal their children. Now they’ve got a war to fight.
Anyway, I still think that Disney has always kept current with the opinions of the day. I don’t mean that they push the envelope. No, no. More like they will push an angle when they feel like it gets safe to talk about politically. We’re seeing gay characters NOW, not 20 years ago. Give it another 10-15, and maybe we’ll see trans characters.
Millenials are the last generation to remember actual politics happening on C-span 3. If only because of how memorably boring it was.
What we think of as "politics" now is a microwaved, reality TV show version of it marketed as "real" by the "real" news channels. None of these people are real politicians - specifically in that none of them know how to perform their roll to the benefit of the people. Either through gullibility, age, or pure narcisim, the idiots we have holding office now are incapable of choosing country over corporate or party lines. And that is by design.
That is why we have these awful options. It's political theater. The idea of government as a forum to discuss what's best does not work when there's no discussion. And our candidates no longer participate in any form of critical thinking that would qualify as that kind of discussion.
This last debate is pretty good proof of that. And if you want to know how good that proof is, then just YouTube "Highschool Dabate Championships" to see what a good debate is supposed to look like.
What we get instead, now going on decades, is the equivalent of going to an NBA game to see professional basketball, and instead it's a team of 10 year olds missing every shot and breaking all the rules because the refs don't care.
These empty suits are all to serve as a distraction from the fact we should be running for office, not just voting between which fake Wrestler we think will get our country to fake Wrestlemania. We have fake politicians and fake border crisis', because the real power of our democracy is in holding office to participate in it, not just choosing between the two bad options presented to us as real ones.
Voting alone doesn't get you a real politician. People that want to listen and help, and will take the time to do so, that's how you get a real politician.
It's not hard. It's great pay. And it's a popularity contest being run by the biggest losers that everyone hates. Winning seats from these posers has never been easier.
If you want real politicians. Become one.
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Anyway, that's my way of saying no one would find emporers New Groove political because it came out when there was still an amount of real politicians around. And real politicians don't care about llama cartoons being woke.
The internet, social media, and Fox News didn't exist in the days of free AOL CD's let alone far before I was born. Politics was contained to C-span like I said.
Cable news and the introduction of the 24/7 news cycle made politics a ubiquitous all encompassing conversation being had around you at all times. Elections cycles now never end, when they lasted maybe a couple months when I could first vote.
So now everything is political, instead of only being found when channel surfing at 3am and hitting C-span 3.
No shit.
Consider this - I'm not measuring their objectivity as some binary concept of yes/no they're objective, I'm measuring it by how measurably worse their objectivity has gotten over the last decades while also simultaneouslu reaching everywhere now.
We got rid of the fairness doctrine in the 80's, when the news was on for maybe an hour of your television night and only contained politics when an election was a couple months away.
Now, with 24/7 cable, and no objective guarantee from the fairness doctrine - the "news" is a 24/7 stream of tabloid bullshit, talking heads, and a sprinkle of real journalism that you can't escape. Multiple "news" stations spouting completely opposing views of reality at a full fever of outrage and politics is now the norm.
It was NOT the norm when you could only find that shit on C-span3. That is my point.
I mean most millenials remember a time when their parents and loved ones personalities weren't completely centered around politics.
Reality was much different just 24 years ago when the voices on the news weren't fucking everywhere due to technology.
And it was even better when those voices were limited to an hour of television and forced to uphold a "fairness" doctrine in presenting political opinions.
To say it is the same now as it was then is to ignore the very large scale objectivity can be measured on, falsely assuming perfect objectivity is an easily achievable goal. Philosophically, God is the only one that can be completely objective, so unlike you I'm not going to hold news to that standard.
News has never been objective, but historically there were laws attempting to force it to be. Ones we got rid of. More importantly, news wasn't being power washed into every crack of American life.
We were objectively better off as a country when whatever political bias the news had was only exposed to us on C-span (and forced to follow legally binging objectivity guidelines). That is my point.
not really? There used to be some level of decorum and respect. i.e watching C-SPAN. Shit didn't really get crazy until Newt outside of some wild periods, that get notably remembered for being wild (McCarthyism, etc). Or pre-civil war when people used to get caned or the shit knocked out of them on the senate floor
So you brainlets will just literally repeat the same idiotic point this post made fun of huh? Let me guess, you still touch an active stove to see if it hurts huh?
Sorry normal people have never touched a hot stove on purpose. Apparently you had to do that for a while or something. I guess some people learn slowly or not at all lmao.
There's an Olympic Gold Medalist that's also had a successful career in the WWE. Is the gold medal he won as fake and devoid of actual wrestling skill as the WWE?
There's a form of debate literally called, "Policy" that has a very legitimate set of rules and guidelines. There is without doubt a level of skill required to win policy debates as the rules go far beyond just charisma and personaliy.
If you watched these debates in action you'd understand that it's a sport, not just entertainment.
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u/CutLow8166 4d ago
Well yeah, you were a kid so you didn’t know it was political. I mean when Princess and the Frog came out there was some outrage about being too woke and having a black princess was somehow placating to minorities.