r/XboxSeriesX Nov 15 '22

Xbox hasn't had an exclusive game nominated to the Game Awards for 10 years now. :Discussion: Discussion

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u/gogoheadray Nov 15 '22

Every single one of those are third party games and exist across both consoles. Why do you think that the ps5 is outselling the Xbox series games if huge third party titles are all that matters? Why would Microsoft and Sony waste money on first party titles if they didn’t matter?

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u/nohumanape Nov 15 '22

Every single one of those are third party games and exist across both consoles

Which is exactly my point lol. The majority of content that actually drives general gaming consumer interests are 3rd party games.

Why do you think that the ps5 is outselling the Xbox

Because Sony has the stronger brand going into the generation.

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u/gogoheadray Nov 15 '22

And what has given them the stronger brand? Those large scale sales drivers are present across both console so gamers don’t really care about those when it comes to purchasing their consoles.

You also skipped my other point of first party games don’t matter then why did Microsoft buy all those studios? Why is Sony spending money on creating new IPs?

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u/nohumanape Nov 15 '22

And what has given them the stronger brand?

A lot of factors that go back as far as the PS1. Largely, it started out with tech. CD-ROM, DVD, and BluRay to name some big ones. With the last gen, it had a lot to do with hardware value. Sony leveraged price and performance, as well as hot topic issues such as DRM, against Microsoft and the Xbox One. It made it the preferred console pretty quickly.

You also skipped my other point of first party games don’t matter then why did Microsoft buy all those studios?

Game Pass.

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u/gogoheadray Nov 15 '22

Your misremembering a lot. The PS1 was popular because of Nintendos hardline policies and the fact that the ps1 was using cds which could be printed cheaper and a lot of third party games went over to Sony. The ps2 did have the DVD drive which was good but they also had a stranglehold on that gens most popular games ( final fantasy; gta 3 for a while etc) the ps3 lost ground not only because of price but because Xbox had much better exclusives for the first half of the gen ( gears of war; etc). Yes during the ps4 Sony did leverage DRM and price but at the same time they were beinging out well received exclusives ( Spider-Man; GOD of war 2018; last of us; etc). It was also the time when people started to show some contrition with Microsoft throwing out the same franchises.

The gamepass answer doesn’t pass because if that was the case why not just have third party games on gamepass? Why waste money and time getting studios to put first party games on their? And why would Sony waste time and money on making first party ips as well?

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u/nohumanape Nov 15 '22

The PS1 was popular because of Nintendos hardline policies and the fact that the ps1 was using cds which could be printed cheaper and a lot of third party games went over to Sony

Right, like I said, "CD-ROM"

The ps2 did have the DVD drive which was good but they also had a stranglehold on that gens most popular games ( final fantasy; gta 3 for a while etc)

But the majority of it's popularity was due to factors such as brand strength from the PS1 and DVD (which was new at the time). Obviously games play a role in a console's function. But the strength of the games available had a lot to do with the technology and brand strength at the time. It was harder for Nintendo to get the 3rd party content onto the GameCube, especially after the N64. As for other possible platforms, Sega was practically dead, and Xbox was a brand new western entry at a time when Japan still rules the industry.

the ps3 lost ground not only because of price but because Xbox had much better exclusives for the first half of the gen

And yet, 8 of the top 10 selling 360 games were 3rd party multiplats. What sold people on a 360 was early release and Xbox Live. It became the go to console for playing games like CoD.

Yes during the ps4 Sony did leverage DRM and price but at the same time they were beinging out well received exclusives

Sony was already outselling the Xbox One 2:1 before they had released any must have exclusive games. Their early momentum is what catapulted them ahead that generation. There was no slowing the PS4 down after that. And it wasn't based on exclusive games.

The gamepass answer doesn’t pass because if that was the case why not just have third party games on gamepass? Why waste money and time getting studios to put first party games on their?

Because they can't control the content or calendar with strictly 3rd party content. If you bring it in house, then they can make sure that their released are properly timed out along side both their own major FPS, RPG, ACTION, "INDIE", and RACING titles. It's about control and not having to rely on constant partnership deals (especially when Sony is actively striking deals to keep games off of Game Pass).