r/XboxSeriesX Apr 21 '24

Phil Spencer on the phone right now to get someone to make a new Fallout game asap. Discussion

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u/CruffTheMagicDragon Apr 21 '24

Feels like a fumble to not have a Fallout game coming out rn

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u/maiLManLiam Apr 21 '24

Seems insane that we're likely looking at 10+ years before Fallout 5, too

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u/abstract_mouse Apr 21 '24

The show is going to have 5 seasons and have been canceled for 5 years before Bethesda cranks out another proper Fallout. I can't believe they wasted so much development time on Starfield. Modern development cycles are borked

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u/Zach983 Apr 21 '24

Modern AAA games don't seem sustainable at all. Used to be a few years between games and these were games with amazing stories and gameplay elements and a ton of content. Now it's like a 5+ year wait at a minimum for hardly anything.

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u/WolverinesThyroid Apr 22 '24

I've said this before. Fallout 5, the next Elderscrools, and GTA 6 may be the last ones in the series that long time adult gamers get to play before. If you were the legal age to buy GTA 1 when it came out You're in your 40s. With 10-20 year dev cycles you could very well be dead or unable to play games when the next version comes out.

It took the same amount of time to make Halo 1-3 as it did from 5-Infinite and Infinite to the next one will probably be even longer.

Fallout 5 may not even come out in time for the next console generation.

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u/dudebirdyy Apr 22 '24

It's even crazier to think about the people developing them.

You either have a revolving door of developers coming in over the span of almost a decade to get a game across the finish line, or you have developers spending massive portions of their careers on a small number of projects that may or may not have disastrous, costly launches after all that time.

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u/WolverinesThyroid Apr 22 '24

It is definitely the former, which adds to the time it takes to make as well. Plus lots of companies use contractors which takes even longer but saves money in the short term.

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u/ChronographWR Apr 22 '24

Insomniac does not have that problem that is a management issues more than anything, budgets are totally busted because money isnt flowing to good artists and professionals.

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u/gravelPoop Apr 22 '24

This. Also, it does not feel like we are getting anything substantial from the additional wait time either.

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u/DGSmith2 Apr 22 '24

Its not so much all AAA games its just the huge studios that are expected to hit insane benchmarks from gamers. If Bethesda, EA or Activision release something that doesn't hit 4K, 120FPS and be at least 40 hours worth of good gameplay its seen as a failure nowadays. All of these things make the game take so long to make. If more people were happy with the smaller games and not having to have photo realistic graphics I could bet the games would come quicker.

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u/Eglwyswrw Apr 21 '24

can't believe they wasted so much development time

They were adapting the Creation Engine to multiplayer, releasing Fallout 76, fixing Fallout 76, making Creation Engine 2 and developing Starfield.

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u/SilveryDeath Apr 22 '24

They also released an upgraded version of Skyrim, VR versions of Skyrim and Fallout 4, did 6 DLCs for Fallout 4, and two Elder Scrolls mobile games since Fallout 4 came out.

But you know, people act love to act like Bethesda did nothing between Fallout 4 and Starfield.

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u/xX7heGuyXx Apr 25 '24

It's the internet, its full of people who like to talk about thinks they no nothing about.

The most dangerous person is someone who knows just enough about a topic as they often talk like are an expert further spreading misinformation.

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u/Radical1488 Apr 22 '24

A different team within Bethesda worked on 76.

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u/Radical1488 Apr 22 '24

Modern development cycles are borked

Has nothing to do with development cycles. Bethesda has one team they let work on Starfield, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls. If each game takes 5 year to produce from beginning to end, that means there is at least 15 years between each entry to a given franchise... it's insane.

There is no reason Bethesda can't have a dedicated team for each franchise.

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u/Aced4remakes Apr 22 '24

There is no reason Bethesda can't have a dedicated team for each franchise.

Or they can ask other Microsoft owned studios to play in their sandbox. They could get lucky and end up with a game on par with New Vegas.

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u/Radical1488 Apr 22 '24

Bethesda is more than capable of doing it themselves. Fallout 3 and 4 are phenomenal.

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u/dixonciderbottom Apr 21 '24

It’d be different if Starfield had been amazing, but it wasn’t.

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u/sethelele Apr 21 '24

Yeah, I would argue that it's very good. I have over 100 hours in Starfield. But it's just not amazing like the Fallout series has been. It felt like something was missing.

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u/Illmattic Apr 22 '24

For me personally, the majority of memorable shit in fallout came from me exploring and veering off from my quest and stumbling upon something crazy. That’s almost eliminated in starfield as I just fast travel directly where I need to go. That whole travel to the destination that leads to a 2 hour detour is completely missing unfortunately

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u/_AssVinegar_ Apr 22 '24

Spot on. That’s what made me love Skyrim and fallout. Completely gone in Starfield

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u/DGSmith2 Apr 22 '24

Just in time for a reboot then.

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u/Mojave_RK Apr 21 '24

The ole George RR Martin approach.

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u/Z3r0c00lio Apr 22 '24

They banked on GAAS fallout 76