The wait between New Vegas and 4 felt like forever and that was only five years. We are getting close to the nine year anniversary for 4 with a 5th title still nowhere in sight.
And to think that back in 2015 I was complaining about how Fallout 5 wouldn’t release until 2020, and how that was such a long wait. But now we’re looking at a ~20 year gap between titles. How is that even possible?!
They made 76.. Say what you want, but it was a fallout game and was made in between those dates you mentioned. I’m just stating facts here. I just did a fo4 100% completion and then the show dropped. To get the itch by I didn’t wanna start fo4 again, especially before an update gets launched so I have 76 a try again and wouldn’t you know it, it’s super fun.
The problem with 76 was, it just felt like a bad multiplayer mod for Fallout 4.
It is not what people would proclaim as a mainline game. You can't look at what Fallout 3, NV, 4 did for the series and say it does the same. It felt completely like an addon.
Yes, it's better now, through sheer retconning of their ENTIRE premise and idea, and binning nearly all of it to turn it into what we're wanting from Fallout, yeah they finally got there... ish.
Yeah but the way the guy above talked about it, was as if Bethesda havent done anything with the IP in 9 years. regardless of how you feel about it, they made another title, and are still adding huge content to the game.
I started 76 again for the first time since launch. And so far I just can't get into it yet. Think part of it is just the stupid perk cards alone. And it's nice the wasteland has actual NPCs in it now, but it still doesn't have that magic (at least not yet)
I wonder if Microsoft will step in and take the decision to farm Fallout out to another developer out of Bethesda's hands. It's no secret that Todd Howard and Bethesda developers resent that New Vegas is the most popular Fallout game since Bethesda took over the franchise. It's also not a secret that Bethesda intends to wait until after Elder Scrolls 6 to seriously start Fallout 5. It's kind of wild that 1 team wants to run 3 different franchises when their time to make 1 game is 5 years or longer. 15 years or more between sequels is kind of insane and I don't see how Microsoft let's them do that. It can't just be Todd Howard and his team running the show. I can see that team keeping Elder Scrolls for themselves because that was always their thing, but Fallout is suffering from them trying to keep it for themselves while also ramping of Elder Scrolls 6 and trying to fix Starfield.
It's no secret that Todd Howard and Bethesda developers resent that New Vegas is the most popular Fallout game since Bethesda took over the franchise.
This is complete bullshit made up by a certain part of the Fallout community that's spread like cancer over the years. 4 sold more than 3 and NV combined. It is the most popular entry. Bethesda has no grudge or hard feelings towards Obsidian. There's no direct quotes or any other type of evidence that suggests otherwise, just a certain set of NV fanboys that have a victim complex.
I don't see how Microsoft let's them do that.
A map expansion is in the PTS for 76. I imagine they are just going to ramp up 76 content at this point since it's getting better with each update, and making a good character build isn't even that much of a chore anymore.
The show is going to have 5 seasons and have been canceled for 5 years before Bethesda cranks out another proper Fallout. I can't believe they wasted so much development time on Starfield. Modern development cycles are borked
Modern AAA games don't seem sustainable at all. Used to be a few years between games and these were games with amazing stories and gameplay elements and a ton of content. Now it's like a 5+ year wait at a minimum for hardly anything.
I've said this before. Fallout 5, the next Elderscrools, and GTA 6 may be the last ones in the series that long time adult gamers get to play before. If you were the legal age to buy GTA 1 when it came out You're in your 40s. With 10-20 year dev cycles you could very well be dead or unable to play games when the next version comes out.
It took the same amount of time to make Halo 1-3 as it did from 5-Infinite and Infinite to the next one will probably be even longer.
Fallout 5 may not even come out in time for the next console generation.
It's even crazier to think about the people developing them.
You either have a revolving door of developers coming in over the span of almost a decade to get a game across the finish line, or you have developers spending massive portions of their careers on a small number of projects that may or may not have disastrous, costly launches after all that time.
It is definitely the former, which adds to the time it takes to make as well. Plus lots of companies use contractors which takes even longer but saves money in the short term.
Insomniac does not have that problem that is a management issues more than anything, budgets are totally busted because money isnt flowing to good artists and professionals.
Its not so much all AAA games its just the huge studios that are expected to hit insane benchmarks from gamers. If Bethesda, EA or Activision release something that doesn't hit 4K, 120FPS and be at least 40 hours worth of good gameplay its seen as a failure nowadays. All of these things make the game take so long to make. If more people were happy with the smaller games and not having to have photo realistic graphics I could bet the games would come quicker.
They also released an upgraded version of Skyrim, VR versions of Skyrim and Fallout 4, did 6 DLCs for Fallout 4, and two Elder Scrolls mobile games since Fallout 4 came out.
But you know, people act love to act like Bethesda did nothing between Fallout 4 and Starfield.
Has nothing to do with development cycles. Bethesda has one team they let work on Starfield, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls. If each game takes 5 year to produce from beginning to end, that means there is at least 15 years between each entry to a given franchise... it's insane.
There is no reason Bethesda can't have a dedicated team for each franchise.
Yeah, I would argue that it's very good. I have over 100 hours in Starfield. But it's just not amazing like the Fallout series has been. It felt like something was missing.
For me personally, the majority of memorable shit in fallout came from me exploring and veering off from my quest and stumbling upon something crazy. That’s almost eliminated in starfield as I just fast travel directly where I need to go. That whole travel to the destination that leads to a 2 hour detour is completely missing unfortunately
I still think Microsoft is being dumb. Sure fallout 5 in 8 years is fine but why not send the ip for spin-off to other studio? Same with world of warcraft, overwatch and so on.
Make a warcraf rpg tha look like the cinematic. Make an overwatch linear story game. Like about the omnic war and it feel like titanfall/halo.
Make a spin-off fallout game about somewhere else.
I don't think they underestimate it. I just don't think they want to be risky with any bets, it's all far to safe.
We'll probably get Fallout 5, a vault based game where the player has to go find their girlfriend after she leaves the vault in search for her true calling.
All their games have followed quite a similar formula, yeah it's cool and works but you can see from the get go that it's not innovative.
That’s fine. ER is basically the same souls formula in an open world and it’s one of my favorite games ever. Hell, I would pay for a remake of fallout 3 in a heartbeat
Microsoft might not be able to do that? I mean they own Bethesda but as part of their deals with them and Activision but still self-publish as opposed to being published under Microsoft Game Studios. So they also might still have say when it comes to their own IPs. Plus, even if they did not I can't imagine either would be thrilled if Microsoft went in and demanded that they outsource their IP to someone else against their will.
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u/maiLManLiam Apr 21 '24
Seems insane that we're likely looking at 10+ years before Fallout 5, too