Bethesda has that niche because they earned it with many of their previous titles.
A lot of this hate comes off as residual (and deserved) anger from the release state of Fallout 76. In the years since that games release though it’s gotten a lot better in large part due to seeing what fans wanted (questlines and NPC’s) and implementing that in the game.
Starfield had the unfortunate luck to release in the same year as a once in a generation game Baldur’s Gate 3 (which Larian Studios was basically built from the ground up to make over a decade of work) and the final complete form of Cyberpunk (which took years after a poor release to finally be in a state that it should have been and was advertised as).
The game and its engine are certainly showing its age, I don’t think many people who have played Starfield for more than a few hours would dispute that, but it’s still certainly a fun experience if you go in wanting a Fallot/Skyrim in space.
Graphics I'll give it, but that's the sort of thing that gets better over time regardless.
Gunplay? Not particularly seeing Starfield's as better.
Character creation? Absolutely not. There's a system of traits and backgrounds that's in stark contrast with the game, so it HUGELY takes you out of it
Just in my run, I was a Diplomat who at multiple times said "I'm not a diplomat, why am I doing this?", I was a Snake Worshipper who had, for most of my Andreja romance, had her tell me that it was so awful I wasn't a snake worshipper and I was going to hell, and when I ditched her to move on, I had Kid Stuff and two loving parents who didn't even come to my wedding with Sarah.
AI? Once again, no. I go into Skyrim and draw my sword in a town, guards cautiously mention it. I dragon shout to the sky, one approaches me to tell me while there's no laws against that, I should stop.
I draw my gun and start blasting around people in Aquila City, no one flinches. Nothing happens. Enemies aren't better, their tactics haven't advanced, they're stagnant.
Gunplay? Not particularly seeing Starfield's as better.
Easily better than Fallout 4 with a far bigger array of mods.
There's a system of traits and backgrounds that's in stark contrast with the game, so it HUGELY takes you out of it
Gonna respectfully disagree boss. It is by no means a perfect system, but it improved VASTLY over Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
I get it, the backgrounds/traits are lacking in some aspects. Fully agreed. But are you really unable to understand how they are still vastly better than Fallout 4's mandatory Concerned Parent background, or Skyrim's Ambushed Prisoner one?
AI? Once again, no.
Strawman fallacy. I never said "AI", I said "Enemy AI". Guard behavior has nothing to do with Enemy AI.
Enemies aren't better, their tactics haven't advanced, they're stagnant.
This is just downright false. They are demonstrably smarter than Fallout 4/Skyrim enemies which is patently obvious to anyone who played these games.
Easily better than Fallout 4 with a far bigger array of mods.
Pffh, no. Fallout 4's mods were actually cool and relevant to the gun, even unique guns, making some look very cool. It was awesome turning a minigun into a tri-barrelled spike machine.
Starfield just lets you throw anything together half-heartedly. Knife with double magazine capacity, lmao? Do better.
Gonna respectfully disagree boss. It is by no means a perfect system, but it improved VASTLY over Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
No. I'd rather have no traits than traits that are constantly contradicted in ways that ruin immersion and cripple role-play.
But are you really unable to understand how they are still vastly better than Fallout 4's mandatory Concerned Parent background, or Skyrim's Ambushed Prisoner one?
Skyrim just held that I was trying to cross a border for some reason. That can work for any character I want to roleplay.
Weirdly, you're leaving out that Starfield also has a mandatory background, Argos Miner. Me, experienced Diplomat, or whatever my background, who for some weird reason, left that life to go melt rocks.
An obvious downgrade.
I never said "AI", I said "Enemy AI". Guard behavior has nothing to do with Enemy AI.
Alright, just another inferior part, then.
This is just downright false. They are demonstrably smarter than Fallout 4/Skyrim enemies which is patently obvious to anyone who played these games.
No, they're as unimpressive as ever, quite patently. Played 100 hours of Starfield before I couldn't bear finishing and had to admit I'd wasted my money.
Fallout 4's mods were actually cool and relevant to the gun
Starfield has every mod FO4 has...
even unique guns
You gotta be joking, Fallout 4 has like, 3 unique weapons. Everything else are generic weapons with a Legendary effect.
I'd rather have no traits than traits that are constantly contradicted
God no, screw that shit. Imagine what modders can do with Starfield's system of traits & backgrounds! Damn glad they don't need crazy workarounds because Fallout 4 and Skyrim are so restrictive.
ruin immersion and cripple role-play.
Sounds like you need to roleplay better mate. /s
Skyrim just held that I was trying to cross a border for some reason. That can work for any character I want to roleplay.
Uh no, it cannot. Skyrim forces you to be a criminal breaking Imperial law, incompetent enough to fall to an ambush, and places you into an antagonistic situation against the Legion.
No wonder Alternate Start mods are so popular for Skyrim.
you're leaving out that Starfield also has a mandatory background, Argos Miner.
Yes it does, and it is limiting as well, but not as much as Skyrim/Fallout 4 because backgrounds exist.
Me, experienced Diplomat, or whatever my background, who for some weird reason, left that life to go melt rocks.
Sounds like you need to roleplay better mate. Unironically this time.
Surely you have heard of e.g. doctors and lawyers on hard times leaving for gold rushes, or working menial jobs post-Great Recession. Not impossible to picture out.
An obvious downgrade.
How the fuck is being able to pick a previous profession + being a miner is a downgrade, let alone a obvious one, from being a prisoner about to be beheaded? You are trolling, gotta be.
just another inferior part
Uh yes, that's what we already defined. Why are you pointing out the obvious?
Played 100 hours of Starfield [...] wasted my money.
Then you are the biggest "idiot" I met this week.
Either because you are a troll-liar who never played these 100 hours, or you are a masochist who took 100 hours (?!?!) to realize you don't like a game (lmao), or because you actually like the game and wish it to be better, you just suck at expressing it and resort to randomly bashing it on the internet as an escape valve.
Starfield lives rent-free in your head. Let it go, mate. You'll feel better.
I love the game and play it every day. It's NOT perfect, but pretty damn good. OF COURSE it's in my head, nothing free about it.
Question is: why the fuck would trolls like you bother commenting about a game you "dislike" so strongly (if you even played it)? It does live rent-free in your tiny heads. Instead of forgetting about it like normal people, you whine and moan like a slut in heat.
Now admit it, capitalizing up and down whatever that sentence means was the most effort you put in all day. Lmao
The Argos Miner origin definitely could have been so much better. Why not something like survivor of a spaceship crash so the player is better able to role play their origins?
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u/APunnyThing Nov 20 '23
Bethesda has that niche because they earned it with many of their previous titles.
A lot of this hate comes off as residual (and deserved) anger from the release state of Fallout 76. In the years since that games release though it’s gotten a lot better in large part due to seeing what fans wanted (questlines and NPC’s) and implementing that in the game.
Starfield had the unfortunate luck to release in the same year as a once in a generation game Baldur’s Gate 3 (which Larian Studios was basically built from the ground up to make over a decade of work) and the final complete form of Cyberpunk (which took years after a poor release to finally be in a state that it should have been and was advertised as).
The game and its engine are certainly showing its age, I don’t think many people who have played Starfield for more than a few hours would dispute that, but it’s still certainly a fun experience if you go in wanting a Fallot/Skyrim in space.