r/Wellthatsucks 5d ago

Plumbers broke through this foundation to add pipes, compromising the structural support of the home.

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u/DMAS1638 5d ago edited 4d ago

We are a construction company that does property assessments, it's not the first time we have run into something like this.

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u/LadyIsabelle_ 5d ago

Is it possible to track down the plumbers and hold them accountable?

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u/No_Translator2218 5d ago

This is why "licensed and bonded" is important. Not only for them to claim that, but for you to go online and google theirs.

Otherwise, you're basically just capable of suing them, unless they are actively breaking the law, you could be shit out of luck for hiring them. But hopefully your insurance would cover it...

Bonded means they have put up money to cover this sort of event. (usually its insurance they've pre-paid afaik)

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u/somepeoplehateme 5d ago

This is only helpful with legit businesses that are trying to stay in business.

We had "bad" plumbing done from a licensed/bonded company and it didnt help us at all.

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u/SoulWager 4d ago

Bonded means there's money to go after if you sue them, even if they go out of business.

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u/nmpls 4d ago

The bond is almost always a pretty comically low amount of money. The bond in CA is $25k. And that just got raised in 2023. And if you know anything about the cost of construction here 25k isn't fixing much.

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u/SoulWager 4d ago edited 4d ago

That's the minimum required by law. If they're asking for more than that much money to do the work, you can reasonably ask them to increase the bond to cover it. You can also require them to have liability insurance.

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u/No_Translator2218 4d ago

I wouldn't hire a contractor on a 120k job if his bond is 25k unless he has some serious stake in the area with their reputation. Sometimes they can post a higher bond to win a contract that demands a higher bond.

In california, you can see that info on cslb

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u/Interesting_Tea5715 2d ago

I mean, I'll take $25k over no money.

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u/renok_archnmy 4d ago

Who you gonna sue? Doubt this crew even has an llc let alone a phone number listed anywhere. Suing only works if you can actually find the other party and show they actually caused the damages.

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u/Clueless_Otter 4d ago

Then they probably weren't licensed and bonded if you can't track down a single person connected to them.

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u/SoulWager 4d ago

The third party that issued the bond. That's the whole point, it's a lot like insurance. You can verify it before you give the contractor money.

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u/Alert-Ad9197 4d ago

Did you speak directly with their bond’s surety company? The contractor’s desire to stay in business doesn’t matter if he had an active bond while working in your project. Surety company pays and collecting from the contractor is their problem.

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u/somepeoplehateme 4d ago

It's been a number of years and my spouse did part of the work so it's hazy.

If I remember correctly, it was a good company that went bad. When they did the work for us is when they were on their downhill slide.

We had problems with their work not being done to code and called and they were out of business. Someone had bought the contracts and employees, but the old company was bankrupted.

Contacted the state, etc., but all that was available to us was $600.

Like I said, it's been a number of years and I didn't handle all of it, but we brought in attorneys as well. We didn't pursue it in court though.

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u/Alert-Ad9197 4d ago

That sounds like a huge nightmare. Probably well beyond what most bonds cover anyway.

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u/renok_archnmy 4d ago

Yall act like people who do work like this also do paperwork and follow the law… This was done by Joe bobs cousins buddy from the trailer park who just needed a little help last month after his meth dealer beat his teeth out for not paying. Ain’t no paperwork, bonds, licenses, contractors, surety, nada involved here. It’s just illegal work all around.

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u/Alert-Ad9197 4d ago

The person I responded to said they dealt with a licensed and bonded contractor. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

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u/SoulWager 4d ago

We're talking about people that ARE licensed and bonded.

Even if they're lying, there's a thing called due diligence. If you're spending thousands of dollars, you can take five minutes online to verify the license, and can ask for documentation of the bond before paying, and before work starts.

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u/jteprev 4d ago

This was done by Joe bobs cousins buddy from the trailer park who just needed a little help last month after his meth dealer beat his teeth out for not paying.

I have seen plenty of dodgy work done by fully licensed and reputable companies it just takes one shitty employee or a change in ownership etc. etc.

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u/No_Translator2218 4d ago

If they're legally bonded then the money was in escrow and any damage would have been already paid for at the regulator. Are you saying you never got your money back for damage they did?

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u/somepeoplehateme 4d ago

I think you're not understanding all the facts and it's not worth delving into it here. As I said, we brought in the state, attorneys, etc. All that was available to us was $600.

Also, the money does not stay in escrow indefinitely. If you find the damage 6 months after the fact, and the company is already out of business, you're not getting shit (or in our case, $600).

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u/No_Translator2218 4d ago

think you're not understanding all the facts

yea cause you didn't tell any facts originally.

As I said, we brought in the state, attorneys, etc.

You literally never said that.

But ok. No one claimed hiring a contractor was perfect.

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u/somepeoplehateme 4d ago

Sorry, I may be getting threads confused.

Yeah, we brought in an attorney and went to the state "contractor board" (I can't remember what it's called). We also consulted with 1-2 attorneys.

It was just a shitty situation the company handled in the perfect way to strip profits while discarding liability.

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u/No_Translator2218 4d ago

I'd hunt down the guy who ran that company and keep shitting on his front porch.

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u/somepeoplehateme 4d ago

Lol

I rember getting into a screaming match with the service manager at his new job.

Scummy company and scummy people.