I know your joking, but this sounds like something my boss would have us do running conduit. I remember one time we needed to put up a bunch of supports and he gave us like 1/10th of the bolts we needed and said, "just make it look like it's supported, this is cutting into my bonus." This was also inside of a plant. Dude made an insane amount of money in bonuses and paid all of his employees really poorly.
All that would accomplish is me getting fired. Pretty sure he's part owner in the company and friends with just about everyone at the plant and has been working there forever. There is so much worse shit I should have reported, but I don't see it accomplishing much and everyone in the industrial electrical field knows each other. The fact that there aren't inspectors in industrial is actually crazy.
This is plants that don't follow most rules and I'm pretty sure you have to go to OSHA, but I would never trust that. Sounds like a great way to get blackballed.
lol, that whole Boeing thing isn't surprising with all the crazy shit I've seen in the plants and I've heard even worse shit by reputable people. I also have no faith in OSHA and it seems like they are either really incompetent or trying to help the companies after things like giant fires.
Countless Tradies will give you a flat fee quote up front. I've never seen hvac or plumbing work done where the agreement was "here's my rate for time, and here's what I charge for each part I need to use." It has ALWAYS been, "I can do this for 5k" "I can do this for 20k" and so on.
I admit it is probably less like that as you go up the "quality" line, but flat fee is the standard I'm used to.
I'm a plumber and I try to do as much as possible on an hourly rate. It almost always saves the customer money and especially when there can be potential unforseen issues with a job. If someone insists on a quote I will obviously give one but I'm going to assess how long I think it's going to take me then put about another 30% or 40% on top incase the job turns into a 'mare. Usually it doesn't but it might.
If I do the work at hourly rates or day rates it almost always comes in less than what I would have quoted them up front. As for materials I can tell them a cost for that because I just add 10% to my trade price for them.
*I mainly undertake small domestic jobs as I'm a sole trader, no apprentice or plumber's mate. Bigger jobs, like whole house replumbing or new builds, yeah, people are often going to want a figure up front.
I did some sub-contractor work for a major name in the plumbing business, and that's closer to what I was basing my assessment on.
They very much do usually go in with a "I'll do it for 20k" but the parts are already accounted for, and they have a rough idea of what they are getting into.
We actually got involved in a lawsuit against them ... A drain in someone's basement had backed up, and they hired us to remove the liquid in the basement. It was sewage so we vacuumed it out and decanted it into a sewer right outside the house. The salesman had asked us how many gallons we removed ... It was posed as a curiosity question, not a pricing one. It was about 30,000 gallons we removed 3k at a time.
He charged that person about 90 cents a gallon for "disposal" and their customer brought footage of us just dumping in the sewer outside their house.
We didn't charge that plumbing company for disposal for that very reason ... But we do now after we found out how much they were trying to charge people. Even when we did jobs for them that required transportation, it's 60$ to dump 3k gallons clean mud, and free for us to dump sewage due to a contract with the city.
I love comments like this because they’re a reminder to never listen to anything on Reddit, no where else in the world can you find people stating things so confidently and be so fucking wrong it’s incredible
That was my exact thought like why the fuck wouldn’t they just run a couple elbows and some glue. Hell a damn dryer vent duct pipe and some duct tape would have been better then this janky, not even half assed work. The strapping job they did to hold it up looks atrocious as well. Ray Charles could have done a better job installing this.
It's clear that they missed their aim and put that 4x2 combo in first. By the time they got the 2" branch there, it was too late to move the combo easily.
That's not a justification, just how I could see it going down.
Plumbers are notorious for this kind of thing. OP's company also inspected my house and they found a flooring joist that has been more or less sawed in half by the plumber for no reason. They called it the plumber special.
Seriously, could it be that the foundation was already damaged and then the plumbers worked with what was there? Who's to say the title is accurate without some backstory?
Sometimes you have to maintain that straight shot, to many bends and turns can mess things up, they should have drilled a hole in the concrete, that’s what masonry tools are for after all.
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u/brian0066600 5d ago
I’m not a plumber, but that seems like so much more work than going around no? A fucking elbow and some glue?