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Invincible [COMIC SPOILER Discussion] - S01E05 - That Actually Hurt COMIC SPOILERS
Episode 5 - That Actually Hurt
Feeling confident in his new abilities, Mark risks a team-up with a local villain to take down a crime lord, while simultaneously juggling school and a new relationship.
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u/randomfluffypup Apr 14 '21
did titan or omniman leave the tip to summon the guardians?
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u/Robgant Comic Fan Apr 15 '21
Both of them have their reasons to have done it. But my money is on Omni-Man. He probably wanted to test Mark but not kill him. When he saw the battle turn against Mark he might have called it in to give Mark a chance and also maybe thin the Guardians out by throwing them in over their heads. two birds, one stone.
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u/randomfluffypup Apr 15 '21
hmm, well if omniman did it, he's a mega idiot, battlebeast could've killed mark easily
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u/Robgant Comic Fan Apr 15 '21
Viltrimites are all about survival of the fittest. If Mark died in the fight, than he wasn't worthy of being a viltrimite.
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u/randomfluffypup Apr 15 '21
yeah actually that makes a lot of sense, I'm re watching it now, it makes sense that he's angry when he returns home
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u/Nephew_of_Poseidon Apr 13 '21
Is April, Oliver’s tutor, does she turn out to be evil? I’ve recently gotten into the comics and just wanted to know if she’s going to be evil.
Didn’t want to make a post over something this small of a question.
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u/ChickenJiblets Apr 13 '21
Eyyyy we finally got battle beast!
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u/LlamaOfMagic Apr 15 '21
Honestly hope the series does get renewed so we have a chance of seeing battle beast vs thragg. Seeing that fight animated is a dream i didnt know i had
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u/That_Lone_Reader Invincible Whip / Nae Nae Apr 12 '21
I gotta ask though, after rereading the issue, the issues that they’re covering while diverting from the source material is interesting. When Battle Beast did his iconic pose of holding up Monster Girl and Black Samson, it was Bulletproof who was held up alongside Samson. I wonder when we’ll get his inclusion in the series.
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u/WarlordOfMaltise Battle Beast Apr 16 '21
I knew that wasn't monster girl who got hurt, but I couldn't remember who actually did.
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u/Robgant Comic Fan Apr 15 '21
Im hoping they introduce him soon to fill the ranks left open by Black Sampson and/or Monster Girl. In the comics Black Sampson is in a coma for awhile after this fight so they would need to add another.
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u/Hgtyrantula Apr 12 '21
Any idea on where i can start reading the comics. I know things will be different just want a jist of where i can start issue wise.
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u/taka06 Apr 12 '21
Trades 1 through 4 will cover the events of the show, up to "That Actually Hurt". Issues wise it's 1 through 19. The chronology of events is a little different, and you may end up seeing storylines that the show hasn't or won't cover, so proceed at your own discretion.
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u/Jackmace Comic Fan Apr 13 '21
Eh, I’m about 65 issues in now and while he hasn’t shown up too much, the show seemed to pretty accurately portray his first appearance. That fight is even more effortless in the comic for Battle Beast and he says basically the same shit and dips the same way.
He’s only shown up once since in the comics at the point I’ve read to so far and you’d be right if we’re going off that appearance. Fighting the Viltrumites seems to get him to that feral mode you’re referring to.
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u/HAHA_Bitches Comic Fan Apr 15 '21
Honestly I feel like they respect mark's strength a little more in the comics. He punches battle beast and battle beast remarks that mark might be the strongest being on the planet.
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u/Tibolegends Comic Fan Apr 12 '21
I don't know what to think about this adaptation. Things happen in a different order it's a bit weird. And all that thing with Debbie doubting about Nolan, I prefered when she didn't even suspected him ...
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u/Drisurk Apr 12 '21
I didn’t read an comments that would spoil me but I just came here to say seeing yalls excitement as a manga reader and anime watcher, it’s so amazing seeing yalls reaction to this comic being animated. It’s been such an amazing show so far!
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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Apr 12 '21
Perfect show, until the last two minutes of this episode.
What I liked the most about this show was that it adapted the material without the usual BS of tv adaptations. There was nothing removed for advertising or budgetary reasons. The was no toning down the content or violence. There were few edits for time or things the writers deemed unimportant.
If anything, the best thing about Invincible is that it says "Yes, and-" to the comics. It adds excellent little details to all the characters, provides a great deal more foreshadowing for major events, and fleshes out Mark's normal life a bit (making the inevitable crashing down all the more tragic). There is nothing added just because the writers resent working on an adaptation and want to tell their own little stories (Walking Dead, any live-action X-men film, etc.). It's a surprisingly tight show that doesn't make excuses for itself, and actually enhances the source material, which is a miracle.
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They couldn't resist it. They had to get clever with the "Dang! We just can't kill them Viltrumite cells, man!"
This is the first time they've added something out of left-field for absolutely no damned reason. It adds nothing but takes away huge amounts of potential drama and tension. The Viltrumites are extremely tough, yes. They heal from incredible damage. But an opponent of sufficient power CAN beat them to death, which makes it extremely fun and exciting when when they are challenged. By saying "You can't kill Viltrumite cells", the show just went out of its way to undermine every single fight in the show going forward, sucking the drama out of several story developments. They went through the trouble of giving Battle Beast a great intro, and then IMMEDIATELY undermine it with this garbage. Are we ever going to wonder if a Viltrumite is still alive after suffering a brutal defeat? Nope! But, hey, enjoy this compelling relationship drama, you clowns!
This only upsets me this much because this show was truly exceptional with how balanced it was in relation to its source. This seemingly minor change has repercussions I'm not looking forward to seeing them explore, and may foretell a drop from excellence into mediocrity.
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u/Magma-Q Apr 13 '21
You're leaving off Cecil having the sonic abilities to fuck with all V's and almost killed Mark especially.
It may just be some lip service to "They're trying to take care of Nolan" but can't, until later. I think people unfamiliar with the comics may ask "why aren't they just icing Omni-man since they know he killed the Guardians?!" and this is just to kind of throw that off and to counter balance Nolan being jacked up after that fight.
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u/Jackmace Comic Fan Apr 13 '21
Methinks you’re getting rose-colored glasses about the comics. They’re great but they streamline a lot of shit because it’s a comic. I see nothing wrong with this subplot, in the comic they even reference them trying to find weaknesses. Makes sense they’d delve deeper in the tv series
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u/THEGRANDEMPEROR Apr 12 '21
I think it's less of a "their cells never die so they're immortal" and more of a "we can't find out any weaknesses using their cells". Like they're trying poison and radiation and other superpower weakness stuff. Their language is a little strange and open ended so maybe I'm wrong and they're actually making a big change from the comics, but it doesn't seem that way in my eyes.
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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Apr 12 '21
But if you’re right, then scene has even less reason to exist, and it’s also poorly written. Why not just say “Even with his blood we’re finding it difficult to find a solution to our Viltrumite problem.”
And actually you raise a good point: the whole scene is dumb on its own merits. You can’t kill the cells?! Who wrote that line?! So the Viltrumites are ageless and never change?they don’t shed skin, and their hair never decomposes? Whenever Nolan shaves he has to throw his clippings into the sun or else clog up his pipes for all eternity. No wonder he gets all murdery.
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u/THEGRANDEMPEROR Apr 12 '21
Again, I don't think it's an "immortal hair and blood cells" thing and more of a "drugs, viruses, prions, nanobots, and radioactives don't have any special effect" thing. The implication seems to be that nothing they've tried will have an ill effect on viltrumites, not that their skin cells will eternally clog their vacuums. There's a whole arc in the comics with regards to viltrumite weaknesses so I'm not surprised the show is currently saying "the viltrumites seem to have no weaknesses."
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And the Viltrumites have very, very few weaknesses. Even in that arc, Nolan and Allen are only able to dig up a few things—Tech Jacket, Ragnars, and Space Racer’s gun. While it’s never explicitly tested whether Viltrumites could survive something like a nuke or other viruses besides the Scourge Virus, the physical feats they exhibit show they are more than tough enough to survive something like a nuke. I think that scene is much more about showing that there really aren’t any terrestrial means of taking down a Viltrumite, which is true in the comics as well, so Cecil is already justifying using Mark as his personal fixer when Omni-Man really goes rogue by saying that only Mark could stop him anyway.
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Apr 12 '21
Just started watching what days do episodes come out?
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u/MrMattHarper Tether Tyrant Apr 12 '21
"Friday", but for Amazon that often means a little earlier than midnight Eastern Standard Time. For Invincible I think its been updating at 9pm EST.
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u/The_Kindly_DM Apr 12 '21
As much as I enjoyed this episode and seeing more of Titan I think it was a mistake to place it before Mark's fight with his father because Omni-man is supposed to be the first person to make Mark bleed and show that he isn't actually invincible. He went into the fight with his father full of completely unearned confidence and I don't know how you can do that when you have had your entire ribcage crushed by some mob boss's flunky (I know battle beast is actually awesome but we don't see that yet).
I really just want them to hurry up with the twist. Literally everyone but Mark knows or suspects at this point. I hate when stuff like that gets dragged out.
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u/MibuWolve Apr 12 '21
Can you fuckers stop spoiling future episodes in the post episode discussions??? Discuss the current episode.. go elsewhere with a spoiler tag for discussing further things in the comics.
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u/sosigboi Apr 11 '21
The instant i saw battle beast there i'd knew he shit on just about all of em in a heartbeat.
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u/dreday15890 Apr 11 '21
I wonder why bulletproof isn't in the show yet?.
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u/Robgant Comic Fan Apr 15 '21
Im guessing if they introduce him it might be after this fight. If Black Sampson is in a coma like he was after this fight in the comics they will need to fill the spot. Now would be the perfect time.
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Apr 11 '21
Bulletproof didn't show up in the comics until quite a bit later iirc
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u/Wk1360 Tech Jacket Apr 11 '21
He was there for the battle beast fight.
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Apr 11 '21
You're right, I was thinking of when he got more screen time with his back story and costume upgrade, etc
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Apr 13 '21
He was there for the BB fight because he’d already been added to the team as the new Guardians were not as efficient as their predecessors. In this version, the Machine Head fight took place a lot earlier, which means the new Guardians haven’t had as much time to be inefficient.
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u/TheBronzeKneecap_69 Conquest Apr 11 '21
Really loved seeing that viltrumite rage getting to Mark this episode. Can’t wait for that to develop more.
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u/DicDonalds Apr 11 '21
I can’t believe they really just killed off monster girl like that, I was just warming up to hers and rex’s relationship, who btw was actually cool in this episode. Especially when he was like “You just messed up”
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u/princevince1113 Battle Beast Apr 11 '21
She’s not dead, just seriously injured. Robot promises to fix her, and she definitely has more of a role to play in future stories.
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u/DicDonalds Apr 11 '21
Oh Fr? I thought she died cuz her skull was showing. Still I hope she and Rex become good friends
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u/Ascended_Bebop Apr 12 '21
Reading the comics for the first time now and I believe she makes a sort of off handed remark in her initial appearance about damage to her monster form not carrying over in its entirety.
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u/princevince1113 Battle Beast Apr 11 '21
If the comics are anything to go by, someone having their face ripped off is probably one of the more minor injuries we’ll see characters survive
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Apr 13 '21 edited Apr 13 '21
Yup. Giant spoilers ahead.
In the comics, we see characters brutalized to the point of having limbed pulled off (Allen after the Viltrumite attack), BB at one point purposefully disembowels himself so he can be on even footing with a recently-disemboweled Thragg, and the final fight literally takes place in the sun. These characters have insane healing properties. Mark once basically recuperated from a thrashing by Conquest that took him to within an inch of his life by just...resting in a coma for a few months on an alien planet. He didn’t even eat the whole time, although Oliver and Nolan gave him water. This universe has some characters who don’t really stay dead very well.
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u/JJJJJ5648853 Apr 13 '21
Marks time in a coma with his dad and Oliver was because of round 2 with conquest not thragg
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u/Phenoxx Apr 11 '21
Woah she was really fully dead??
Feel like she was a big plot point
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u/driftw00d Apr 15 '21
Not dead, just badly hurt. In the comics it was Bulletproof and Black Samson instead of Monster Girl and Black Samson here. I am assuming they used Monster Girl here to further emphasize her and Robots relationship forming. He was really emotional about her being hurt.
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u/Phenoxx Apr 15 '21
Ok nice. Thanks
I was like I don’t remember that happening lol if she died that would throw so much plot off with robot
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u/ThePowerLord Apr 11 '21 edited Apr 11 '21
Battle Beast could have easily killed everyone in the room but chooses not to
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u/ThePowerLord Apr 11 '21 edited Apr 11 '21
Omni Man vs GOTG fight and the Penthouse Battle Beast fight are two of the best fights so far. I think the Omni Man vs Mark fight will be one of the best once we get to it
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u/ThrowAwayYourChilds Apr 11 '21
I just reread the issue(s) where Battle Beast takes on Thragg yesterday. It's some kind of feeling seeing him introduced in the show now and knowing X years down the line we may see that fight.
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u/brokenkeyfob Apr 11 '21
Good to hear Worf(Michael Dorn) voicing Battle Beast. Also that Mr. Winslow at school is voiced by Reginald VelJohnson from Family Matters aka Carl Winslow.
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u/Robgant Comic Fan Apr 15 '21
The first trade of invincible was also called "Family Matters". Almost all the trades of the comics were named after family sitcoms.
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u/goodcat1337 Apr 11 '21
And the school is named Reginald Vel Johnson High School as well. I’m sure you already knew that though
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u/SoupEpicTrek Rex Splode Apr 11 '21
Dang, honestly can't believe they're still holding onto the whole Omni Man plot for this long. I understand that it's a solid twist that the series is famous for, but it feels weird to not see Immortal and Bulletproof laid low by Battle Beast as well.
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Apr 11 '21
The first season is constrained to issues 1-20 or 25 i believe. Season 1 will probably end with the Robot reveal and maybe Immortal resurrection into Omni-man fight and reveal. Season 2 then would deal with the aftermath of everyone finding out the Viltrum is not a good-guy planet and Allen showing up
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Apr 13 '21
I believe the Machine Head fight is in issue 19, but they’re going very out of order so who knows. I do agree that the season will probably end with Omni-Man fight. That’s a pretty brutal cliffhanger too.
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u/Satsuma0 Apr 11 '21 edited Apr 11 '21
This is a big spoiler to ask, actually. She has a subconscious block on manipulating living things and thinks she cannot. This block will be temporarily broken through and eventually overcome entirely, later on in the series.
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u/Magma-Q Apr 13 '21
Does she overcome it entirely? I remember even in the final pages she still only could do it when she dies/nearly dies.
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u/MutantNinjaAnole Comic Fan Apr 11 '21
My understanding is she normally cannot change organic materials. This is more of a mental block that she hasn’t overcome yet than an actual limit (pretty sure that’s right).
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Apr 13 '21
In the comics, it’s a deliberate mental block put there by the scientists who created her. She’s got insane matter-warping powers but she was intentionally held back, since if she could change organic matter at will, she would be the most powerful character in the series by far.
There’s lots of serious heavy hitters in Invincible, but there’s not a ton of like reality-warpers, or even just other crazy power levels for non-physical stuff usually. The most powerful other characters who don’t rely on physical strength are people like the witch who cursed Monster Girl, Atom Eve, and Angstrom Levy.
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u/TheMooseWalrus Apr 11 '21
She's healed herself multiple times, but if she could heal other people it would kind of break the plot. There are several moments where someone being out of commission is an important part of the plot.
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u/suss2it Apr 11 '21
She actually does heal both herself and Mark towards the end of the whole thing. After Thragg leaves them for dead.
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She can heal organic matter and is essentially immortal but the scientist who made her put in mental blocks that stop her from doing so. These blocks can be overridden in severe enough circumstances
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u/MutantNinjaAnole Comic Fan Apr 11 '21
The reason she doesn’t normally do organic materials is tied to her origin. Which would involve big spoilers naturally.
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u/superfuzzy47 Apr 11 '21
From what I’ve read in the comics, her ability to heal is mostly subconscious and activates when she gets hurt which can also heal those near her
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u/rexmundi69 Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Started my re-read but with a slight twist. Re-read the Conquest arc first and it was as incredible as I remembered it. Can't believe it was 12 years ago when that arc debuted.
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u/Tom_Foolery1993 Apr 10 '21
So obviously I loved seeing Battlebeast but I did have a thought that I’m curious if anybody else agrees with or has thoughts on whatever.
Does anybody think that the show were are seeing is a different universe than the comic? It would explain a lot of the differences between the two and we know that there are alternate dimensions were a lot of things were similar until Mark started taking over. It doesn’t need to be an alternate reality of course a lot of adaptations change details but i think it would easily explain why a lot of details are changed (e.g. Seance dog) but the major story beats are similar. It also could leave them open to take the story in an entirely new direction but I hope they don’t do that.
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u/Wizecracker117 Spider-Man Apr 11 '21
The author just wanted to change some details for this adaptation since he's a more experienced writer wanted to make things more difficult for Mark at the beginning.
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u/Tom_Foolery1993 Apr 11 '21
Yes but that doesn’t really mean that this couldn’t be a different reality from the book. Just an in universe way to explain it (not that they would ever state it as such or even need to) is all. I do really like the changes I do think it’s better so far.
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u/suss2it Apr 11 '21
I mean just based on the fact that it’s an adaptation and things changed you can just say it’s an alternate universe anyway, there’s no real way to disprove that.
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u/Tom_Foolery1993 Apr 11 '21
Yeah I just thought it was an interesting thing to consider is all. Doubt it’s the artist intent or anything just a little headcannon lol.
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u/suss2it Apr 11 '21
Yeah I for see where you’re coming from. I mean people consider the MCU not only an adaptation of Marvel comics but a parallel world to it as well, no reason that kind of thinking can’t apply to Invincible as well.
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u/Tom_Foolery1993 Apr 11 '21
Weird I thought the MCU was it’s own earth, like earth-9 or something. Can’t remember if that’s confirmed or not though just thought it was
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u/suss2it Apr 11 '21
Yeah I’ve seen some crazy number attached to it but never from an official source by Marvel.
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u/Tom_Foolery1993 Apr 11 '21
Ah gotcha. Figure it couldn’t hurt for them to confirm it but maybe they haven’t assigned it a number because they plan to give it it’s own multiverse in the future movies
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u/suss2it Apr 11 '21
Yeah the title of the next Doctor Strange movie pretty much confirms that. I’m betting just Into the Spider-Verse did they’ll label themselves as 616.
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u/Thrown_Right_Out Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
They said in the trivia that Magnattack was removed from the penthouse fight for budget reasons. Understandable, but why remove him instead of one of the two fire/heat themed villains there?
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Apr 10 '21
I actually think he was the least developed of all those characters in the books so I figure the show just decided to drop him entirely.
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u/DoktorSleepless Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Marks' best friend has gotten very little screen time. Was it like that o the comics? I can't remember.
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Apr 10 '21
They entirely cut out the bomb arc which is where he had a lot of FaceTime
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
That arc was skippable, but they will definitely do the reanimen arc so he should get a last hurrah before he becomes irrelevant.
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Apr 10 '21
I liked it, it established Mark as very much a normal grounded kid who quickly transitions into global then planetary then universal events but that arc established an important base that I think's missing from the show
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u/ddevlin Apr 10 '21
Pretty similar. He was a biggish character in the first quarter of the run or so, but gradually got less and less important as Mark's adventures got bigger and bigger.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Yeah, he was sort of important early on. He still got some screen time every now and then but he is pretty much sidelined after the Space Arcs.
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u/riad_thunderbolt Apr 10 '21
man mark in the show is such a pushover with amber constantly walking on eggshells and buying shit, I liked their relationship way more in the comic
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u/ZebiNiyakBouzeb Apr 10 '21
show mark is a simp, their relation feels genuine in the comic and mark has a backbone feels like a totally different character sometimes
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u/fetorpse Battle Pope Apr 11 '21
The relationship in the comic is a smooth featureless sphere, the only frictionless material known to modern science
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Dunno, Amber in the comic is pretty basic. The whole thing feels very teenage soap opera. The whole subplot of her emotionally cheating on Mark with the other guy, then that guy turns out to be an abuser after he is portrayed like the perfect boyfriend, just for her to remain with him is pretty cringe. The whole thing of Mark simping for show Amber is the same with comic Amber, he keeps messing up until he tells her he is Invincible.
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u/mylegbig Comic Fan Apr 10 '21 edited Apr 10 '21
The whole thing is supposed to be basic. She’s just some girl in the suburb, after all. And whose first relationship was really anything special unless you’re stuck in the past and looking at things through rose colored glasses?
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Could be. I think she served her narrative role well, but she was never more than the first gf who ended up not being right for him. Show Amber could have more nuance but will still end up in the same place.
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BATTLE BEEEAAAAST!!!
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 10 '21
honestly this didn't feel like Battle Beast. He wouldn't care about honer he just wants to kill some fools. Though it was nice to see him, glad he wasn't a push over
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u/OSRSMaxed Apr 14 '21
He wouldn't care about honer
Honor* and yes he would? He literally wounds himself to be on even footing in his final fight. Honor is like, half of who he is. The other half is fighting the strongest people. He had no reason to kill someone who isn't a threat at all.
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 17 '21
Literally just re read his first appearance and yeah he def cares about honor. Seems my view of him had shifted a lot since I finished the comics. I shall enjoy my re read tho
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u/Tellesus Monster Girl Apr 10 '21
If you were a champion MMA fighter that was dominating every match and someone promised you a shot at a truly challenging fight, then when you showed up it was a bunch of roided out 12 year olds that couldn't even scratch you, would you hand around to kill a few or just move on with your life?
He left because the fight was entirely beneath him, he would have degraded himself to keep fighting Invincible and the New Guardians. Nolan would have been worth sticking around for but he intentionally stayed back for reasons.
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 10 '21
I’ve become aware of it more so after going through the comments some more. Just hadent read the comics for a while sooooo I kinda forgot tbh
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Apr 10 '21
I mean, when he's fighting Thragg and Thragg happens to get gored by those viltrumite velociraptor looking things, Battle Beast cuts his stomach open to make the fight even. Dude's about honor. I think this was a good first glimpse, he's gonna return and smash everything to bits, should be fun to watch.
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u/mylegbig Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
He didn’t bother killing anyone in his first appearance in the comics as well.
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 10 '21
yeah I kinda forgot about his first comic appearance. I’m gonna have to re read tbh
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u/mylegbig Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Just reread the issue yesterday. It was actually much tamer than the show and even my memory.
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u/Drew-Pickles Apr 10 '21
I thought his appearance was a little disappointing, too, tbh. He looked a little tubbier than I remember in the comics.
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 10 '21
Hopefully he gets redemption. I kinda wish he didn’t show up so early. And then the weird guy with the alien on his chest, I remember kinda liking him in the comics so hopefully we get to see more of him.
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u/Returdedphoenixmorph Invincible Apr 10 '21
I was initially hesitant to see that they were adapting the Titan story, as it doesn't really go anywhere in the comics. But even something as simple as changing Titan's motivations, and placing it at a different point in the story makes it far more engaging, and will hopefully be continued in a satisfying manner.
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u/mylegbig Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
I always thought characters like Titan and Black Samson were underutilized. I don’t agree with all the changes so far, but I definitely like where they went with this.
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u/Robgant Comic Fan Apr 15 '21
Agreed. He's not very well developed in the comics. They have given him a much bigger purpose on the show by being the older experienced "coach" of the younger heroes. I like him a lot more now.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
You are right, I think Titan only gets another story after that arc, and is not that good. Don’t remember if anything happens to him after the war with that Chinese group. The show seems to be trying to give some more depth to all characters, maybe Titan will become more of a recurring character...though if he doesn’t then is ok, his story already served it’s purpose in the overall plot.
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u/ddevlin Apr 10 '21
I believe Titan gets more of an arc in the Guardians of the Globe book, but I may be wrong.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Never really got around to read it, is in my to do list. If the show does really good they might try to do spin-offs.
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u/detectivesolanas Apr 10 '21
Hello comics readers.
I've only watched the tv show but I want to know if the story differs a lot from comics because I want to read them probably. What do you think?
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Apr 10 '21
Comics way better in pacing and world building and story and just everything really except budget I guess.
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u/popcar2 Apr 10 '21
It's almost 1:1 with the comics but they added some new elements to the story and re-arranged some plot points. If you were to pick up the comics I'd honestly just say start from the beginning.
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u/detectivesolanas Apr 10 '21
Okey thanks. I have seen that Mark gf is a blonde in comics. Also the chapters seem to be shorter?? Or I read it from a bad source because some things that happened on ep5 in the còmic didn't like Omniman spying Mark or the medics comming to save mark and others.
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u/popcar2 Apr 10 '21
Pick up the comics after season 1 ends and you'll understand why they changed some things, mostly around omni man.
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u/detectivesolanas Apr 10 '21
Thank you!! I'll read from the begining anyway. Seems the logical choice if some things differ.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Yeah, they seem to keep the major plotlines, is just been re-arranged a little. Some stuff happens earlier and other stuff seems to have been pushed for later. So far I’m enjoying the changes since it seems better for the TV format. Read the comics if you can, specially since it seems the creator is improving on it for television.
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u/Antique_Brilliant Apr 10 '21
Idk if I'm the only one but this show is moving so fast and yet so slow by adding extra scenes which isn't bad just kinda wierd.
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u/BoyTitan Apr 10 '21
Why after what happened with the Boys is everyone expecting this to play beat by beat. The boys is a totally different show with different character motivations and certain characters are way more relevant than the comic. Same thing is happening here with Omniman betrayal taking way longer to come up and irrelevant characters becoming relevant. The show will move at a break neck pace with one of the major plot lines it bought up for the season final but it's just going drip each plot line in so it cane have multiple seasons.
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Apr 10 '21
Because The Boys was arguably a bad comic (but great TV show) and Invincible is arguably the best comic ever written
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u/BoyTitan Apr 11 '21
I see one has a more rabid fandom, one has a fandom that can accept its series flaws the other just wants the comic to be animated with the exact same story.
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Apr 10 '21
The slow parts seem to be the plotlines dealing with his parents and aaaallll the Amber development. It's been a while since I read the books, but wasn't Amber not even a B tier character? C at best? I know more about her than I do any of the teen team and we're five episodes in ...
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u/Antique_Brilliant Apr 10 '21
She Is so much better now compared to the comic which I really like. Know the question is will they break up or will they change that (I doubt) or just make it more impactful
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Apr 10 '21
I highly doubt they would change the final love interest from Eve to Amber. I like how they've been characterizing her, but based off episode 5 it seems to me like their relationship will follow the same structure that it does in the comics.
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Apr 10 '21
Too much focus on her. I know more about her than any character in the new guardians. Marc comes off like a wimp cuz the strong girlfriend is upset at him. He is stomping evildoers, yet he cares what she thinks? ... Her arc can't conclude fast enough, in my opinion.
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u/OneBigFig Apr 11 '21
That’s kinda the point. Sure he has super human strength and can fly, but in the end he’s still mentally a human. And of course he’s gonna care what she thinks about him.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Amber was pretty important early on, but then she barely gets mentioned, same with Mark's other human friends. I kinda like what they are doing with the story shuffling, is better streamlined for television, and the comic is far from perfect. The creator has improved a lot on the story in the adaptation.
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u/rexmundi69 Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
I am pretty much loving this. Best thing is that it broke me out of my Invincible melancholy.
Once the series ended, I just put it aside and haven't read it since. I loved the series and have read the first 100 or so almost countless times. Used to be a fixture on the Image comics board discussing it and Walking Dead.
My passion has been rekindled and I am going to do a full series re-read, including the tangentially related ones and Brit which was always a fave of mine.
It's going to be a fun walk down memory lane and I am looking very much forward to it.
Episode 8 will be a heartbreaker if it is the epic Nolan/Mark beatdown.
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u/mylegbig Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Going through the comics again as well. It’s actually surprising just how much tamer the Battle Beast fight is in the comics.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
I reread the series to get ready for the show. Kirkman really improved on the story for the adaptation. Early comic was kinda bloody but not as much as the later issues, they seem to have gone full on violence since the beginning for the show. I like it.
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u/ThePowerLord Apr 11 '21
The gore is the best part of the new Invincible TV show. The Omni Man vs GOTG fight and now the Battle Beast fight
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u/mesmes99 Apr 10 '21
So do you think that the GDA will develop the scourge virus? Or a version of it and use it to save Mark. That end scene made me think the story will go toward that.
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u/ManCalledWest Apr 10 '21
I'm thinking it's laying the ground work for the show's version of Invincible war where its clones gone mad as opposed to alternate timeline versions of Mark.
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u/Humor_Confident The Mauler Twins Apr 10 '21
They could make clones of invincible for the reanimen or invincible war
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u/mesmes99 Apr 10 '21
That’s a good point since we don’t know how/if Sinclair or angstrom levy will be adapted. I guess just time will tell.
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 10 '21
Mark was in college when Sinclair showed up right? If so it'll be a min before he shows up. And honestly I can't wait for levy to be adapted, I rlly wanna see him get 'killed' by mark in that desert dimension.
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u/peanutter_ Omni-Man Apr 10 '21
from the teasers and trailers I think I saw mark break sinclair's jaw like he did way later in the comic, but I think they are introducing him and the reanimen now to revive immortal in preparation for the betrayal
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Could be, they might change radically that plotline. We know Omni Man leaves before they figure out how to beat him, but Cecil does figure out how to cripple Invincible with the ear device. The blood thing might be a red herring until they introduce the virus later on.
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u/Duxludos Apr 10 '21
Damn dudes getting fucked up in a monthly basis
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u/CoupeDeSoup Apr 10 '21
Getting a bigger taste of Eve's power made me realize just how insane Mark and Eve are going to be as a unit. One is an invincible force of nature and the other is a master of manipulation. I mean can you imagine the combos?!?!?!?!?! Unbeatable
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u/lion_OBrian Apr 10 '21 edited Apr 10 '21
She has to constantly poop tho. Why did Kirkman have to add that??
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u/jemmykins Dinosaurus Apr 10 '21
Look, I've gotta know more. I tried to google it and found some 6 yearold forum post saying "atom eve worries about normal things like weight gain and popping" and I just need answers
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u/lion_OBrian Apr 10 '21
Her powers work by using food as fuel, so the more she uses them, the more food she digests at once. So she has to poop a lot.
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u/jemmykins Dinosaurus Apr 10 '21
Ugh it's like the flash and his metabolism but backwards ughhhhh
Thanks for the answer, as cursed as it was.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Eve will always have trouble with the heavy hitters, but she is an OP superhero otherwise. She is ultimate support in most missions, and she could have been the strongest character if she had been allowed to fully use her powers all the time, not only when on death’s door.
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 10 '21
giving me flashbacks to conquest lmfao
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Can’t wait until conquest shows up. He had a similar introduction as BB, here is Mark minding his own business and a dangerous MF comes and kicks his ass.
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u/ComaIsTheOne09 Apr 10 '21
dude its gonna be such an amazing fight to watch. Like i honestly can't wait to see how well they adapt it.
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u/CaptainSprinklefuck Apr 10 '21
They are Superman and Zatanna together. It's a weird combo to think of DC wise, but that's what these two are.
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u/Pathogen188 Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Good episode, but all of my grievances are still the same and all the things it did well are mostly the same.
I like the greater emphasis on the more minor characters. Titan and Samson getting more screen time is great and I like how Amber is getting more development beyond "Mark's girlfriend" and I like how she's already thinking of dumping him for his tardiness already. Samson has already become one of my favorite characters in the show, and his presence as a more level headed, serious hero is a nice contrast against this more abrasive Rex.
Action is great as usual and the fight with Battle Beast was near perfect. Mark going ape shit was awesome. And I think this episode puts to rest any ideas that Nolan is weaker in the show than in the comic. If anything I think the Viltrumites are stronger. Mark stopping that "small" asteroid is a way better feat of strength than anything he'd done up to that point in the series IIRC. Like even after the corresponding issue I think Mark was still only lifting several hundred tons while that rock would've weighed way more.
Something small I liked was how it handled the "we need to work together seen". It wasn't perfect, but I'm glad that there was no "hey guys, we need to work together" scene, the new guardians just kinda sync up and get shit done.
That being said, I would've liked a bit more build up to it. The only thing we see of them before the end is Samson yelling at them for not working together. Like one scene of them at least attempting to do that would've been all that was necessary, but without it it feels a bit unearned, but that's a more minor complaint.
Still not a fan of Nolan's characterization (which sucks because I think Simmons is doing great). Nolan acting like a genuine father Superman pastiche is pretty relevant later on as far as set up goes. It makes the fight with Mark more emotionally impactful, Debbie's naivete makes her not knowing something was up more believable, and the fact that Nolan is being such a dick, combined with Debbie being more independent makes it much harder to think that this stronger, more independent Debbie would ever consider going back to Nolan after what happened.
Debbie being a bit over reliant on Nolan works as a better set up for their eventual reconciliation, although I understand why they went away from it.
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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Apr 12 '21
Kind of disagree about Nolan. But... also kind of agree?
I think they're setting him up to make a LOT more sense than in the comic. They're laying the groundwork for the big turns in a much more realistic way. He's coming off as a jerk, because he is a jerk. All Viltrumites are jerks. It's how they function as a society.
They are telling the viewers that this is a man with two different cultures constantly clashing within him. His home culture views other people as insects, useful for service and breeding stock, and little else. They respect nothing but strength, and as the strongest, they expect respect and obedience.
A guy raised like that is going to be a stone-cold a-hole.
Since arriving on earth, he's learned to respect and love his wife. He has developed a certain... fondness for humanity, in a master and pets sort of way. And he loves his son. These things have led to profound changes within him, but he still was raised as a Viltrumite, and that feeling of disdain and smug superiority shines through.
That's pretty realistic. There are some pretty likable people in your own life who have some terrible ideas they don't advertise or express often. Or even acknowledge to themselves. The guy who has a Black friend, but also still thinks Black people are criminals. The guy who treats his wife and daughters like queens, but still thinks women are not as intelligent as men. Those people are all around us to greater or lesser degrees.
In the comics, the change was like night and day, and it happened so fast, you wondered how he faked his way through years of marriage and superheroing. And how he could ever be forgiven for so thoroughly deceiving his family and friends. And how he could forgive himself for murdering them.
The show has done a good job of telling us this is a man who is struggling with instincts he has been suppressing for a long time, but that have been simmering right below the surface. He has kept his distance from humanity except for his family and brief acquaintances with "co-workers". He obviously cares about people but feels vastly superior to them, and his wife knows this. He feels he has to prepare his son for a great destiny, and Mark knows this. They know he's not some perfect guy. They just don't know how deep and dark it goes.
It makes for interesting drama, watching him pretend, even to himself, that nothing is wrong. It shows through in the vocal performance by JK Simmons that this is a guy in deep denial, living on the edge of madness that he was taught his entire life was righteous and just. He doesn't have a split personality, but he is doing some wild mental gymnastics to hold it together.
In the comics, it just seemed like he flipped his shit, and later all is forgiven. In the show, they are slowly revealing where he's coming from, where it's all leading, and hope for how he can find his way back. Maybe.
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u/CriticalGoku Apr 11 '21
Yeah you really hit the nail on the head with the problem I have with Nolan and Debbie. It's compelling, but it makes it hard as hell to see how they're going to reconcile later on. I worry they're not going to at all, which I think would be a huge mistake as Nolan's love for Debbie is a huge element of his change. It really dramatically changes a lot, and I don't particularly desire to see the Invincible go in an enormously different direction like The Walking Dead given how good the comic is.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
I totally agree on the Samson thing. We saw how powerful and morally righteous the Guardians were, sadly they all died and Inmortal hasn’t come back yet. Samson is the only one left of the old guard, and he seems to be trying to get the new guardians into that mentality. Would have loved to see more of him educating the young guardians but I think they got it now. The new comic guardians were always being shat on by Cecil, even though few of them were as powerful as the Original ones, they only got more efficient when better heroes started joining.
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Apr 10 '21
They need to nix the Amber storyline. Just let them break up so we can have our Mark/Eve development. I said something similar in a previous reply, but why develop such a minor character? We know next to nothing about the new guardians, but now I know aaaallll sorts of stuff about Amber (...yawn). I get that the comic was about the superhero/real life balance, but the Amber storyline is boring, in my opinion.
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u/Roy-Southman Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
I agree on the comic Amber storyline, it took too long and dragged on after it fulfilled its narrative purpose. Show Amber seems to be doing better, specially since she seems to be having a better influence on Eve's storyline. Show Amber is an all around better character, hopefully it leads to a better place than her comic arc. I hated how it ended, with her being an abuse victim and then being forgotten until the end.
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u/white015 Apr 10 '21
100% agree with your thoughts on Nolan. I’ve always felt like his character was the strongest part of the first few issues and I’m not sure why they’ve felt the need to change him so much. He doesn’t really come off as someone who’s torn between his family life and what he views as his duty to his people and I feel like that aspect is pretty important to the twist at the end of the Invincible / Omni Man fight. It’s just strange because while I feel like a lot of the changes have been intentional and good, I’m not really sure what the adaption is gaining from this one (unless it’s going in another direction or something?)
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u/mylegbig Comic Fan Apr 10 '21
Agreed. I made some of the same points about Nolan and Debbie as well.
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u/radraz26 Apr 10 '21
The best episode yet! Battle Beast was awesome! Mahershala Ali was great! The only thing I disliked was the Battle Beast was working for Machine Head and I can't imagine him working for anyone.
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u/Tom_Foolery1993 Apr 10 '21
I mean, he works for Allen? He uses it more for the opportunity to be pointed in the direction of challengers than anything it’s not like he particularly cares for machine head or his plans.
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