I can’t wait to see how the show adapts this conversation. You just know the voice acting is going be absolutely amazing

[u/Thin-Pool-8025]

[u/Sad___Snail]

Yea does that ever get brought up? Like sure cheating on me is bad, but Chicago subway or whatever… pretty gruesome.

[u/shredditor75 → u/Sad___Snail]

"Hey, remember when you used our son's head as a weapons to murder an entire train full of people, almost killing him and certainly traumatizing him in the process"

"Yeah, that was a real whoopsie, am I right?"

Edit: "Parenting's a real journey. You make some mistakes, but you just try your best, you know?"

"What about that time you killed all of our friends?"

"You know you hated making small talk with Aquarius."

[u/SadisticBuddhist → u/shredditor75]

Thats such a gross simplification. Yes, what Omni man did was wrong on so many levels. That being said- he did literally have thousands of years of indoctrination, and his exposure to human culture and beliefs warped him away from that.

As someone who has PTSD and has on more than one occasion assumed someone is trying to kill me, even when they arent, it isnt easy to break that mentality. I couldnt imagine growing up in a world where the reason youre alive is because you managed to be one the last survivors in a eugenics focused culling war.

[u/Self_World_Future → u/SadisticBuddhist]

Ok but does that grant him the right to be happy with his wife as they try to move on from his past actions?

Like if one of the victims whose spouse was killed in his rampage found out I’d doubt they feel this is right

[u/SadisticBuddhist → u/Self_World_Future]

So? Whats he gonna do? Throw himself back in to a black hole? Wait out the rest of his next 100 years on jail?

After a certain point just give up. You cant contain him. You cant punish him without hurting someone innocent.

[u/NinjaTakedown → u/Self_World_Future]

IMO, I think it justifies Nolan's actions now that he's moving past that point. But personally, I don't think Debbie should get back with him. Because just because a person isn't 100% responsible for their actions doesn't excuse them from the consequences of their actions.

[u/The-Mighty-Caz → u/Self_World_Future]

Everybody with this take seems to be ignoring a crucial theme that's a throughline for the majority of this comic: evil can be rehabilitated. Before this scene in the book, Nolan has been dedicating himself entirely to stopping the viltrum empire, ultimately saving millions, if not billions, of lives in the process. After a certain point, the good he's accomplished far outweighs the bad he's done to a point where any kind of retributive justice anyone thinks should be inflicted on him is small and petty.

Now conflating this for why Debbie should be angry and never forgive Nolan: that's simply not fucking why she's hurt by his actions. Emotionally speaking, she's more hurt by the betrayal of building a life with Nolan and realizing it was a lie. That he'd brutally beaten and traumatized their son, all the while saying they mean nothing to him. That weighs a whole hell of a lot more in her reaction to the fallout than the mass murder. Call it selfish or petty, but that's being human. And in a world built entirely on superhero tropes where the apocalypse can happen on a weekly basis and heroes can do horrible shit and villains can be rehabilitated, it isn't impossible to forgive mass murder. Not saying it should be easy, but it's not impossible.