How well would the original guardians fair against battle beast?

[u/Dr_Turkenstein]

[u/Lucky_Roberts]

They were always going to lose

[u/Senatius → u/Lucky_Roberts]

I don't know that that's true. Nolan got seriously fucked up in that fight (in the show at least), he didn't somehow fake being in critical condition. He collapsed immediately after he won.

If Red Rush focused more on support rather than offense and War Woman managed get one or two more wacks in they might very well have eked out a win.

Comics though it is of course no contest, Omniman sweeps regardless, and in Battle Beast sweeps harder.

[u/dunzoes → u/Senatius]

Is Battle Beast stronger than Nolan? I'd say they're pretty equal at that point in the story. I know he goes toe to toe with you know who and Nolan doesn't do that as successfully but idk I'd say they're pretty close.

[u/AcidAspida → u/dunzoes]

Battle beast is stronger

[u/dunzoes → u/AcidAspida]

So is it Thragg>Battle Beast>Nolan>Other Viltrums>Mark at this point you think?

[u/FahlkhanFuhkkehr → u/dunzoes]

Tbh, Battle Beast is stronger than Thragg. Their fight was extremely close, and at the end, Battle Beast was killed by Thragg reaching into BB's self-inflicted wound and tearing his heart out, and BB tossed aside his own weapons, which could one shot Ragnars (idk if that's the name of the aliens, I'm typing fast before work), so if BB just like, kept his weapons and was injured, he could almost certainly have killed Thragg.

[u/Invincidude → u/FahlkhanFuhkkehr]

BB's best and only chance to beat Thragg would have been to attack the injured Thragg without hurting himself, and even then I wouldn't say it's a sure thing. Lot of people point out that he pulled his heart (or whatever that was) out if the hole he cut, but not many people point out that there is no way BB would just sit there and allow him to do that (he was laying immobile still alive, as Thragg did it), so Thragg clearly beat him up badly enough that he could no longer fight back, at which point he's dead, whether by yanking out his heart, tearing his head off, whatever.

[u/Future-Muscle-2214 → u/dunzoes]

Conquest is stronger than Nolan too. Nolan is one of the strongest Viltrumites, but probably more around the level of Kregg.

[u/Dumeck → u/dunzoes]

Battle beast is significantly stronger. 2nd strongest character in the story. (Ignoring epilogue)

[u/No-Homework6090 → u/Dumeck]

When we first see battle beast fight against a viltrumite, he takes significant time and noticeable damage dealing with one nameless viltrumite grunt. I always assumed his abilities were more Hulk like, he rises to the challenge of a good fight.

[u/Dumeck → u/No-Homework6090]

The first time being in space? We see hardly any of that fight and we know he killed multiple Viltrumites and started freezing and wanted to fight more. Granted In space he has more of a disadvantage but I don’t see him losing to someone weaker than Thragg even in space, he’s shown to have insane stamina and durability

[u/No-Homework6090 → u/Dumeck]

Nope when they escape from the space prison they are currently on. The fight in space is way later when they first meet thragg in person deep into the war. At that point battle beast had fought multiple viltrumites and, in my opinion, had become significantly stronger.   

  In this current arc Nolan, allen and battle beast escape and I believe it’s 3v3 vs viltrumites. Nolan and Allen fight their 2 together and battle beast solos one to the side and wins but with some damage. Maybe that viltrumite was just strong and died early but I think its clear from the text battle beast had never fought someone as strong as a viltrumite before,(the entire reason he signs on is that fight excited him like no other fight had before) and improved through the course of the fight, and throughout the war.   

Edit: I just doubled checked and this is what I was referring to . This fight is on the prison and its 2v3 not 3v3 with battle beast soloing a viltrumite. He takes damage that I don’t think he would take later in the series from a single viltrumite that isn’t thragg. Like you said, later he fight multiple viltrumites at once with little damage.

[u/Future-Muscle-2214 → u/dunzoes]

Battle Beast is much stronger. Nolan is weaker than Conquest who is much weaker than Thragg and Thragg is at BB level.

[u/Karma15672 → u/dunzoes]

I think that Battle Beast is stronger than Nolan at that point of time, at the very least. While Viltrumites don't exactly get a zenkai boost, I think Nolan gets a bit stronger throughout the series.

He could possibly be equal to, or at least only a bit weaker than Battle Beast by the end of the comics.

[u/JustInChina88 → u/Senatius]

Comics omniman sweeps? He lost to three of them when they were more prepared for Omniman betraying them. Their full team stops him easily.

[u/Senatius → u/JustInChina88]

When they were more prepared, yes, but I'm talking about the initial surprise attack since the person I was replying to said they were "always going to lose".

In the show, despite the element of surprise, the GotG had a chance to win if RR chose a different strategy or War Woman landed another hit. The comic guardians all got one shot and didn't land a single blow, no change in strategy would have helped them, only a screaming teenager revealing Omniman's intentions and providing some distraction.

[u/JustInChina88 → u/Senatius]

They weren't even sure what was happening until Red Rush died. And even then, it seems like they only had the resolve to kill him once The Immortal and Warrior Women had that conversation near the end of the fight.

[u/MisterTheKid → u/Lucky_Roberts]

Right? I’m not sure how red rush constantly helping everyone else escape is the only reason the most powerful person on the show up to that point beat them all

Nor am I sure that that would’ve worked as a tactic. So do they just run away the rest of their lives?

[u/Dark_Storm_98 → u/MisterTheKid]

Red Rush protecting the Guardiens =/= The Guardians just flee with their lives

Red Rush can push the Guardians out of the way of Omni-Man's attacks

The martian can restrain him like in the show and not move his brain to Moni-Man's chest like a dumbass

War Woman can always be sure to bash him in the head with her mace

Not-Batman can stick to using gadgets instead of trying to get into melee range (also a dumbass)

I won't say they have a perfect strategy, I'm not an expert fight analyst, but if they went about the fight like this they'd have a chance

[u/MisterTheKid → u/Dark_Storm_98]

I’m sorry but they had no chance. Most notably because they weren’t meant to as defined by the writer. The guy why determines the strength of the combatants.

But also in the sequence - it’s clearly shown Omni Man can grab Red Rush moving at full speed.

And that’s while Nolan was just standing still.

There’s literally no reason to think Red Rush is simply too fast for him. We see he is not. How do you know Nolan can’t fly as fast as Rush runs?

Complaining about how it’s staged is valid and understandable.

The outcome was always thus, though.

Like in every other comic/show/movie with a speedster, this question will always be asked.