Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E07 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

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Episode 7 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

As Mark attempts to salvage his personal life, a new villain arrives, presenting Invincible with his greatest challenge yet. Donald grapples with his past.

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[u/GNSasakiHaise]

Cecil expected Nolan. It's mentioned in the episode that Anissa is beyond Nolan's demonstrated strength. We know Mark can hold his own and defeat a single Viltrumite (Thula) in combat. We don't know how big the gap is between Mark and Nolan, just that Nolan is still stronger than Mark by a good margin. It will take time for Mark to catch up. Cecil mentions taking measures to beef Mark up in this episode.

Likewise, the Reanimen were still in progress. He can't instantly make all these measures happen.

[u/Imightwantkarma → u/GNSasakiHaise]

No where was it shown Anissa is stronger than Nolan. Even Anissa speaks about Nolan’s strength like it’s legendary

They said she was faster, she is clearly more of a speed fighter than strength one.

We 100% know Nolan leagues stronger than mark and most viltrumites. We saw that on the throxan planet.

Also mark didn’t try to kill Anissa like he did for a moment in the other fight. He was still pulling his punches unlike how Nolan tells him to make every punch a killing punch. You can tell from his leverage

[u/GNSasakiHaise → u/Imightwantkarma]

beyond Nolan's demonstrated strength.

As I said in another comment, the more likely thing is that Nolan was pulling punches on Earth. Nolan can 2v1 standard Viltrumites. Mark can 1v1 a standard Viltrumite. Mark only had an 18% chance of survival against Anissa.

Second, Viltrumites describe flight like a muscle. If she's faster than Nolan, she's probably also stronger than Nolan... but again, this is only relative to what Nolan demonstrated on Earth. We don't have a reason to believe Anissa is stronger than current Nolan or even beyond Nolan's actual strength at that time.

That is why "demonstrated" is the operative word.

This is Mark's first encounter with a Viltrumite ON EARTH SPECIFICALLY that isn't holding back, and she dumpsters him. Then she tells him that someone even stronger is coming. It's a Raditz type of story beat.

[u/Anjunabeast → u/GNSasakiHaise]

Different muscles do different things

[u/GNSasakiHaise → u/Anjunabeast]

Yes.

And if she is able to flex a muscle harder than Nolan can, that muscle is...?

[u/Anjunabeast → u/GNSasakiHaise]

Idk what muscle viltrumites flex to fly

[u/The_McTasty → u/Anjunabeast]

Probably related to the kegals or something.

[u/ThatChapThere → u/The_McTasty]

"It's like peeing yourself on purpose"

[u/GNSasakiHaise → u/Anjunabeast]

If you can flex and use your arm harder than I can flex and use my arm, your arm is stronger. If you can flex and use your legs harder than I can flex and use your legs, your legs are stronger. If you can flex and use your flight muscle harder than I can flex and use my flight muscle, your flight muscle is stronger.

We have no indication anywhere in the series to suggest that speed and strength are different factors for Viltrumites, especially in the show.

I won't post comic spoilers here for obvious reasons, but I believe there are a few indications in the comics that speed and strength are often linked together directly.

As far as the show goes, the only evidence we have of the two being separate come from Viltrumites being compared to humans (Mark vs. Immortal, Red Rush vs. Nolan), which is like comparing the engine of a 2024 Ferrari to the engine of a 1997 Sedan. Yeah, there are similarities, but the two cars are built differently.

[u/king__cloudy → u/GNSasakiHaise]

Funny comment. Do you think olympic sprinters have the strongest legs in the world?

A lot off factors go into "speed" in real life. It isn't as straight forward as you're saying.

[u/GNSasakiHaise → u/king__cloudy]

in real life

This isn't real life. It's a comic/cartoon.

If you can point to a fight in Invincible (comics or show) where two fighting Viltrumites show a difference in speed that is not also accompanied by a difference in strength, I'll stand corrected and obviously edit my comment. As far as I'm aware Viltrumites follow Dragon Ball rules: if a Viltrumite is stronger, they are also usually faster than the other Viltrumite.

As far as I remember, they don't show a differential between Viltrumite strength and speed. Mark is stronger than X Viltrumite, he is also faster than X Viltrumite. Mark is weaker than Y Viltrumite, he demonstrably cannot catch Y Viltrumite.

Happy to edit if you can share something. Feel free to hit my DMs up since I can't recall if spoilers are allowed in this thread.

[u/MadHopper → u/GNSasakiHaise]

Dog. They say that she’s faster than Nolan. They also say that Nolan is among the strongest Viltrumites ever, and Anissa talks about his strength with admiration, then mentions someone stronger than her is coming. We see Anissa get very casually whipped by Allen the Alien in the aftercredits, and even though she is fast enough to circle around him, she doesn’t have the strength to actually hurt him.

We can accept these facts to mean two things: Anissa is physically faster than Nolan, who is one of the strongest Viltrumites, or, Anissa is stronger than Nolan (even though this is not mentioned at all) and Nolan is now not really that strong at all.

What seems more likely?