r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Mar 28 '24

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E07 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 7 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

As Mark attempts to salvage his personal life, a new villain arrives, presenting Invincible with his greatest challenge yet. Donald grapples with his past.

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u/DuePerception6926 Mar 28 '24

If they didn’t resist things would be simpler

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u/Structor125 Mar 28 '24

"But can't you just, you know... let them conquer you?"
"Holy shit, I never thought of that!"

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u/Abedeus Mar 28 '24

Apparently that was Invincible's answer in every single universe except the "main" one.

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u/Successful-Run7573 Mar 28 '24

Why do people say it was every universe it was only ever “most” of them

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u/GreatKnightJ Shrinking Rae Mar 29 '24

And most of the ones Angstrom Levy has seen, at that.

My headcanon is that Mark actually says no in most of the universes that he exists in but Levy has randomly (just due to bad luck) encountered an unrepresentative sample of universes where he's a total prick.

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u/Ejecto_Seato Mar 29 '24

Or Levy isn’t a dispassionate, disinterested observer of those “multiverses,” he’s affecting the outcome in them and the “main” timeline is the only true representation of what would happen without his interference.

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u/Abedeus Mar 28 '24

I thought it was the only one? Not sure which episode that was stated in.

Still, even then majority of them were in favor of helping Omni-Man.

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u/Tough-Interaction485 Allen the Alien Mar 28 '24

nah angstrom said it was most not all others

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u/MyARhold30Shots Mar 29 '24

I still don't know how he could make that claim when there are infinite universes. How is there a "most" of infinity? And how many universes did he check to come to that conclusion lol

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u/Mule27 Mar 30 '24

Some infinities are bigger than other infinities. It’s possible that “infinite” universes are not a continuum of one infinity but a set of multiple infinities. Some things being impossible as they aren’t in one of the sets. The “Mark sides with Omni-Man” set could be a bigger infinity than the “Mark resists Omni-Man and survives” set.

A quick way to see that some infinities are bigger than others is: Set A is an infinite set of all positive integers, Set B is a set of all Integers. Set A must be smaller than Set B even though they’re both infinite because Set B contains Set A and also contains every negative integer.

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u/Independent-Highway2 Mar 30 '24

I think you are misremembering what you learned about infinity. Some infinities are bigger than each other, but I don't think that is what they mean. THe different sizes of infinity are not just different levels of exponential growth which seems to be what you are modeling. If you would permit me to make a rather rash assumption, you may need to watch that Vsauce video again.

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u/Mule27 Mar 30 '24

I didn’t learn about infinities from Vsauce, I learned about them in calculus and differential equations class. My example had nothing to do with levels of exponential growth even though I know my example is mathematically incorrect, it is much easier to explain the concept of differing sizes of infinities that way than to try and explain knowing that the infinite set of all natural numbers and the infinite set of all even numbers are actually equal which is unintuitive to me and likely to someone who isn’t even aware that mathematical infinities aren’t all equal.

The point of what I was saying is that there can be an infinite number of universes, but still no universe with X in it. Which then it logically follows that there can be more universes where X happens even though there are an infinite amount of them. But if we’re getting into mathematical infinites vs whatever use of the term infinity Angstrom uses then it’s moot because we don’t know. The point is it’s perfectly plausible that even with an “infinite” amount of universes there can be more where mark is evil

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u/Independent-Highway2 Apr 01 '24

Thank you for your clarification. That's why I shouldn't have assumed where you learned something from. I apologize for the presumption.

That being said I think you are still mistaken. Should something not be possible in any possible universe, it would be less common than something that is possible; however, we do know that evil Mark is a real possibility. As such, even if when traveling between multiverses the derivative of evil Mark you discover is lower than the derivatives of good Marks we would still be approaching an equal infinite number of Marks. Like you said natural numbers are equal to even numbers.

That being said I think you are still mistaken. Should something not be possible in any possible universe, it would be less common than something that is possible; however, we do know that evil Mark is a real possibility. As such, even if when traveling between multiverses the derivative of the evil Mark you discover is lower than the derivatives of good Marks we would still be approaching an equal infinite number of Marks. Like you said natural numbers are equal to even numbers.

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u/Mule27 Apr 01 '24

Right, but evil mark could be the default state of a universe with mark in it unless very specific criteria are met. Perhaps there’s an equal amount of universes where mark is good compared to where mark is evil, but most of the universes where mark is good means he dies during the confrontation of Omni-man. Then there would effectively be more universes where mark is evil. This of course means nothing because there is no measurable evidence of how infinite a multiverse would be in actuality, and the majority of potential universes just could not exist with how specific the conditions of the universe are that allow for solar systems and galaxies and life even. It’s a superhero show with a super powered multiverse traveling villain and the only evidence we have of what the multiverse looks like in the setting is Angstrom who says that the majority of alternate Marks are evil. Could he be wrong? Sure but I think it’s more compelling if Mark being good AND alive is a more rare universe state than him being evil. It’s the difference between an Angstrom who’s just wrong and crazed by the failed outcome of his plan into one who is crazed because the majority of his composite consciousnesses are witness to the evils of Mark and the good mark he’s met has in his mind proven himself to be just as evil as the rest.

To the point tho, regardless of correctness of my analogy used to understand that infinities are not all equal in size, the fact is that there are infinities that are differently sized. And since it’s not an easy, or maybe even possible, task to map universe states to numbers you can’t assume that in an infinite number of universes all outcomes are equally probable.

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u/Tough-Interaction485 Allen the Alien Mar 30 '24

id assume its just the universes of the alternate angstroms he brought for the brain thing, not like he had infinite angstroms

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u/Apotatos May 08 '24

How is there a "most" of infinity

If you had an infinite dough ball, most of infinity would be flour and the rest would be water; infinity has to have structure in order to have statistics of some sort, which is why the sum of 1+1-1+1-1 is different from 1+1+1+1-1-1-1-1; infinity is weird like that.