Do you think the Guardians Of The Globe could have won if Red Rush had stuck to just bailing the others out of death and hadn't attacked himself, or do you think everyone was doomed no matter what? They did put up a great fight even after he was removed, so I think it's plausible they could have.

[u/RevolutionaryGrape11]

[u/dravenonred]

The fact that Nolan even bothered setting up an ambush, which is very uncommon for him, absolutely implies that there is a combination of actions the Guardians could have won with.

The surprise was to deny them the ability to coordinate that.

[u/Frosty_Public9652 → u/dravenonred]

But what if he just didn’t want anyone seeing him fighting the guardians? So he just decided to fight them in an enclosed area.

We also see in season 2 how strong Omni man is at his best. Implying to me although trying to kill the guardians. I don’t think he used his full power and everything he could have done to win.

And it’s obvious that Omni man is facing a dilemma. He has to kill the guardians but that doesn’t mean it’s easy for him on the inside.

[u/Argent333333 → u/Frosty_Public9652]

I've said it before, but it was a suicide play. He gathers all the people most likely to kill him in a single room. He gives them warning before he's about to do it and pulls his punches heavily. He goes after the ones least likely to actually hurt him at first in order to let the heavy hitters have a few shots to actually do damage. And even with all that, it still isn't enough. He basically lets them beat on him because he really doesn't want to do this. He wants to lose. He wants any excuse to go back to Mark and Debbie or just die if he can't. But after the fight and the deaths of the guardians, he thought there was no going back anymore.

This comes to a head and you see the results of it with his fight with Mark. The entire fight he's using language that seems more tailored to convince himself than Mark. And the longer the fight goes, the more erratic and desperate he gets in his rants. He's lost faith in his upbringing but can't just escape it and give up. The fight ends with Nolan screaming about what will Mark and he have in five hundred years and the reply of "each other" breaks Nolan and hits at the root of his inner conflict. He wants a family. He wants to be happy. And living by Viltrum's rule and his upbringing all but guaranteed he would never find that. So he runs away

[u/[deleted] → u/Argent333333]

I don’t think it’s a suicide play. He definitely knew that they had no chance of killing him and that he could and would overpower them.

I think he went in with the intention to kill the guardians so that he could buy more time with Debbie and Mark, even if he knew that things were gonna have to change as he taught Mark how to use his powers.