Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E04 - It's Been a While

[u/mwthecool]

Episode 4 - It's Been a While!

Mark answers the call to save an alien species, but the mission has unexpected personal consequences.

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[u/finnjakefionnacake]

i think the scale of what he has done means that the only real redemption here would be in sacrifice/dying to do the right thing. any less than that is like saying hitler is redeemable. yes i invoked godwin's law but pretty sure it works in this situation lol.

[u/Lucifer_Crowe → u/finnjakefionnacake]

Hitler wasn't brainwashed growing up as far as I'm aware

Nolan is literally fighting his programming

[u/Iorith → u/Lucifer_Crowe]

Exactly this. He needs to be able to recognize that the Viltrum mindset was wrong on it's own merits, and fight against it because it's wrong, not out of his own benefit. So far, he's resisted due to his loved ones and people he feels responsible for.

It's a good step, but not enough for me to say it's redemption.

[u/Lucifer_Crowe → u/Iorith]

I think in some way Nolan also got sucked in by sunk cost

He seemed annoyed that it was time to take down the Guardians and almost seemed content with Mark not having powers

But obviously once he'd done it he couldn't back down or then he'd killed his "friends" for nothing.

I think he's a really interesting character, and especially fun because he doesn't hold back when it counts.

I think he's going to realise that he wants to be Omni-Man. Protecting the innocent.

In some sense Mark inspires him, but he also needs Mark to learn to be the best of himself and his Viltrumite strength

[u/Iorith → u/Lucifer_Crowe]

This is where I hope it's going as well. He decides he wants to be a hero, just like his son.

[u/Megapiefan → u/Iorith]

ooh if they do a mirror of the first episode where mark says “i want to be just like you” to omniman that would be a great moment

[u/Lucifer_Crowe → u/[deleted]]

I mean it's already started

His 'programming' tells him it's wrong but he wants to be more like Mark (just without the holding back)