Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination!

[u/mwthecool]

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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[u/Exatal123]

I feel super bad for Debbie man she deserves the best. Also idk if this is an unpopular opinion but after this episode I sorta like Amber a bit more.

The way this episode ended though shocked me.

[u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS → u/Exatal123]

Feels like they’re trying to make up for the whole “I knew you were a hero the whole time” thing. Don’t think they expected her to be so hated after that so they made her as sweet as possible this season lol

[u/Exatal123 → u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS]

Yea it was kinda disappointing to see but I blame the writing mostly. I hope they can improve her character even more. I kinda wish we saw like her reaction to Mark telling her “I love you” and her saying it back or something as they’re leaving.

[u/JumpUpNow → u/Exatal123]

They should have just killed her off to be honest. She was so toxic in season 1. The retcon to make her nicer this time around would have been better used on a new love interest.

[u/Billiammaillib321 → u/JumpUpNow]

Jesus there’s no winning here, people wanted her to be supportive/understanding and she’s doing that to the utmost. Now people are pissed they got exactly that?

It’s not a retcon, it’s reciprocating the honesty she’s now getting from her SO and is now doing her best to compromise because she’s aware of the bigger picture. This shit just makes sense, they’re putting in the work now and things are working out because of it.

[u/JumpUpNow → u/Billiammaillib321]

No people wanted her to be a well written character, she was not. She was supposed to be a strong willed person who has her flaws but has an earnest heart, which she did not have. She used altruism as a mask for her innate narcissism.

The worst character in the show and other characters had the audacity of defending her. As though mark saving literal lives is less important than dealing with his love interests toxic insecurity. She was a horrible person who only cared about how good she looked and mark not involving her in his justifiable secret triggered her ego.

All that has apparently gone away entirely and now she's the most supportive character in the show solely because of fan backlash. There's nothing to criticize her for in season 2, she's not even abrasive or entitled anymore, even towards people other than Mark.

They Mary Sued her with no character development to explain it beyond 'Oh Mark is honest now that's all, dust under the rug. She's so understanding now; she's too good for him!'

Amber season 2 is not the same character as Amber season 1. They retconned her personality in an attempt to salvage what they intended versus what they presented and I guarantee you the reaction to her being dumped or dying under some rubble in season 2 episode 1 would have brought vindication to the wider audience.

Instead we're left here just accepting the middling outcome of her becoming a better person not because the story encouraged it, but because the writers panicked and gave her a proverbial lobotomy.

[u/Spider-Man-fan → u/JumpUpNow]

I don’t feel like Amber changed from Season 1 to Season 2. Rather, she changed in the very last episode of Season 1, after the battle with Omni-Man and seeing the toll it took on him. She seemed to become more understanding at that point, don’t you think?