r/FluentInFinance • u/The-Lucky-Investor • 13d ago

“Medicare for All” would save the U.S $5.1 Trillion over 10 years Discussion/ Debate

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/11/30/easy-pay-something-costs-less-new-study-shows-medicare-all-would-save-us-51-trillion
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u/effdubbs 13d ago

I don’t know if this claim or its math are accurate. What I do know is this: US healthcare is in crisis. I’m a nurse practitioner and I have never seen turnover like this before, especially of physicians. The workload and environment are untenable. Systems are crumbling, yet money continues to be extracted. Patients and workers are not getting what they need.

Another thing I know, patients wait here too, sometimes for over a year, depending on the complaint and specialty. The argument to keep our system as is because patients wait in single payor systems is simply not a good one.

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u/IbegTWOdiffer 13d ago

Do you believe paying nurses less would somehow ease the staffing issues? The argument against a single payer system like in Canada, is valid, has always been valid, and always will be valid. Healthcare sucks in Canada. Wait times are terrible for anything other than acute care. Pay for providers is low which is why you get a lot of immigrant providers from places like India, where as in the US you get immigrant providers from places like Canada...

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u/pls_bsingle 13d ago

Why is public approval higher for the Canadian healthcare system than the US healthcare system? Health outcomes are also superior in Canada.

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u/IbegTWOdiffer 13d ago

Canadians less satisfied in their access to health care than Americans: poll

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-health-care-access-1.6574184

"there is a perception that access to health care in Canada is better than in the U.S., but that gets "turned on its ear" when you actually speak to Americans. 

U.S. citizens have a much more favourable opinion of their own health care system, with almost double the number of Americans surveyed (29 per cent) saying they are comfortable with the access they have. 

There were also far fewer U.S. respondents (13 per cent) who said they have chronic difficulty seeking medical care.  

Faced with the possibility of needing emergency care, 70 per cent of Americans felt confident they would get it in a timely fashion compared to just 37 per cent of Canadians. "

You may also want to look at cancer outcomes...

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u/pls_bsingle 13d ago

Canadians Largely Satisfied with Healthcare System, But Eager for Increased Access

Two-Thirds (66%) Satisfied with Provincial Healthcare System, But Seven in Ten (71%) Agree System is Too Bureaucratic

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/news-polls/canadians-largely-satisfied-healthcare-system-eager-increased-access

^ from an actual polling company, not an online survey of 2,000+ people

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u/IbegTWOdiffer 13d ago

Should I point out the hilarity in you citing a company that was previously owned by the market research company I cited?

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u/pls_bsingle 13d ago

How about the proposition that 85% of Canadians are dissatisfied with access to healthcare (in a country with universal access)? Lol

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u/Petricorde1 13d ago

You can be dissatisfied with healthcare in a universal access country you realize?

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u/Dumeck 13d ago

Still doesn’t matter, 1,200 Americans in an online poll with vague questions isn’t a good survey. Hell we could get a bigger more accurate survey on Reddit here with an equal amount of bias. They are “satisfied with their access to care” with the article seeming to lead towards speciality care being what’s referred to. Is the survey for people who specifically have had medical care recently? What was the exact question asked? They are very vague with that. Of course the results would be skewed if you are targeting the small % of Americans who can actually comfortably go to the hospital when they have an medical issue and sweep all the people under the rug who “just deal with” medical issues until they can’t any longer. Seeing as how ALL Canadians can do this without going into crippling medical debt I’d be very skeptical that we are comparing apples to oranges with that survey.