But Barack....can't we find someone with all those qualities you list that can actually string a coherent sentence together and isn't 8 decades old?
Last night wasn't just a terrible debate, it showed Biden to be a terrible candidate. Trump is trash but he was at least coherent. Even after last nights terrible debate you had your stereotypical Clinton Clone downplaying Biden's disastrous performance on CNN while all the other panelist where rightly shocked. That sums up the state of the Democratic Party and that attitude will cost them come November.
Most independents probably aren't voting for Trump, but they ain't voting Biden either after that performance. Better believe that MAGA will be out in full force and we will be stuck with another Trump presidency.
Biden needs to drop out. Kamala ain't the answer either, she would get destroyed in the general election. Maybe Newsome? Beshear? Sherrod Brown? I don't know but the Democrats need to wake up and change SOMETHING before its too late.
It's already too late. None of those people are beating Trump.
If you had Michelle Obama, Oprah, Mark Cuban maybe, you could stand a chance, but it has to be someone that is already very famous and well liked and which Democrats are willing to quickly rally around.
It’s not too late, and there are potentials within the party (as opposed to more celebrities) that could beat Trump. Don’t take my word for it though: This article from November goes into better detail. A generic democrat named Blanky McBlankface, with all of the same milquetoast democrat talking points and campaign promises as Biden, easily beats Trump. But that person doesn’t exist I guess, so what about real candidates? Gretchen Whitmer easily beats Trump in a swing state he currently holds over Biden. In pre-spring polls, Trump was beating many of these democrat opponents, yes, but none of that polling data reflects his post-conviction nosedive in the polls - 21% of independents said they’re likely to ditch him now. Right now the biggest obstacle for most voters is that Biden is a billion years old. If we just address this single issue by collectively pushing to send grandpa to the home, we can get on with having a democracy. But the longer we cling to Biden is the closer we come to 2016 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Unfortunately it’s not that easy. This article explains it quite well.
“Every state has already held its presidential primary. Democratic rules mandate that the delegates Biden won remain obligated to support him at the party’s upcoming national convention unless he tells them he’s leaving the race.
Biden indicated that he had no plans to do that, telling supporters in Atlanta shortly after he left the debate stage, “Let’s keep going.” Biden campaign spokesperson Lauren Hitt was even clearer, saying Friday: “Of course he’s not dropping out.”
The conventions and their rules are controlled by the political parties. The Democratic National Committee could convene before the convention opens on Aug. 19 and change how things will work, but that isn’t likely as long as Biden wants to continue seeking reelection.”
If our collective political strategy is driven by what’s easiest instead of what’s best, that actually perfectly explains how we ended up in this shitshow to begin with.
Correct. Which is precisely why I said it wasn’t as easy as you state rather than saying it’s impossible. It is however, improbable. But that’s not a conversation you’re ready to have. It sucks when people interject with pesky facts, huh? The reality is Biden is holding the party hostage at this point and we are all ‘bag holders’. I’m not anymore happy about that than you are but I’m not going to mislead people with wishful thinking when the Democratic Party backed themselves into this corner that we all saw coming for ~ 2 years. Biden is not the guy and his ego is getting in the way. Either that or something more sinister is going on behind the scenes of the DNC who has insisted on propping Joe up in the media like we can’t all see this is “Weekend at Bernie’s” brought to life on the largest stage possible.
I think the real candidates like Gretchen would have beaten Trump if we had a full primary process to build name recognition and comfort with the chosen candidate, but since that didn't happen, I think you'd need a celebrity to beat Trump. Americans don't know who Gretchen is and one convention speech in August is not enough national air time to change that. Trump very likely wouldn't agree to debate her as it would only hurt him at this point. Instead he'd just complain ad nauseam that the Democrats cheated when they got rid of Biden.
In any case, based on everything I've seen today from Biden and others, doesn't seem like Biden is dropping out. It's Biden v Trump and we all just have to hope that Biden can look coherent enough in the next 4 months to not scare away voters.
Legally, much of the country wouldn't have the ability to remove Biden, especially after the next few weeks. Nevada's already locked him in as the candidate for example, as of today. Other states wouldn't allow him to be removed unless he died. Which is obviously not going to happen.
Exactly. More people need to hold dems accountable for fucking this up. Fully agree with everything except the very last part. It's already beyond late. They needed a better candidate picked out a long time ago. Like 10 years ago.
Last night wasn't just a terrible debate, it showed Biden to be a terrible candidate. Trump is trash but he was at least coherent.
Coherent but lying, that's kind of the problem with this whole thing, sure Trump can talk but he's never telling the truth and rambles nonsense as well, it's just he'll speak as if he's right, no matter how wrong.
I'm not saying Biden is the best choice out there but I think if the worst thing you can say about the guy is he's old in comparison to the guy who caused an insurrection than the other option isn't too bad.
Trump barely answered any of the questions he was asked, just went off on killer immigrants or something. Are people watching the same debate? At least Biden tried to engage with the questions
Right. There’s absolutely no way that you could call Donald coherent when repeatedly wouldn’t even try to answer the current question. And many times had to be reminded he had time left to try and address the question.
Biden was acting like an old man and it was concerning. But Biden actually did name policy that he put in place and did his best to outline a plan for what he wants to do next.
Donald just said it’s going to be better with me with zero plan.
Don't think of the candidate as the person, both people have roughly equal chances of dying in office, imo. The candidate is the administration. and Biden's administration isn't a terrible candidate.
No the candidate is a person to the undecided voter.....Its easy to say it doesn't matter if Biden is a corpse, I'm voting to keep Trump out of office as a BLACK person. But does the 2nd generation 19 year old Indian think that? White Suburban Mom? Conflicted Cuban Living in Miami?
Black people do not have enough vote share to influence the election outcome in the electoral system, so yes how the way the candidate present themselves matters when it comes to drawing in undecided voters because other people don't see Trump as an existential threat to their existence and will vote for him simply because he can string a sentence together
Honestly, I think Newsome has the best shot. He has the policy history to keep the main Democratic voter base and has the look and coherence to draw in Independent voters. If they get him in before the convention then he could run a decent campaign and will probably beat Trump
I get that, but we are in unprecedented times. A felon is running for president (who still has lending charges).
The other option is has voters loosing faith that he’s even coherent enough to run the country
She would win in Michigan and possibly the other swing states of Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Gavin Newsome for VP. Can't take any senators because dems need to hold every single senate seat and can't risk a special election. She could promise Harris tje cabinet seat of her choice.
That would be great if YOU were the sole arbitrator of who became president....unfortunately, 200 million other people also have a voice and some of them are on the fence on which person they want to vote for. So the way a candidate presents themselves to the general voting public matters despite your willingness to ignore it
No its called being a realist because I realize that I live in a country where most people who vote don't look, or think like me...Your lack of concern may not make you a defeatist, but it does make you an idiot
Honestly, I think Obama only endorses Biden because... obviously he isn't going to endorse a Republican. I'd bet my dinner that Obama has plenty of other better Democratic presidential choices in mind.
In fact, it was a hell of an endorsement and a reminder of Obama's eloquence. It had everyone very excited about the race after the contentious primary.
I've watched Biden debate several times and last night cannot be chopped up to a "speech impediment". He looked mentally slow. There were points where he had a blank stare with his mouth hanging open. He started to ramble about having a better handicap than Trump at one point. How does that look to someone who never pays attention to politics until an election season? Not good. Most Americans vote sorely of how a candidate presents themselves and not their policies.
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u/smkAce0921 ☑️ 4d ago edited 4d ago
But Barack....can't we find someone with all those qualities you list that can actually string a coherent sentence together and isn't 8 decades old?
Last night wasn't just a terrible debate, it showed Biden to be a terrible candidate. Trump is trash but he was at least coherent. Even after last nights terrible debate you had your stereotypical Clinton Clone downplaying Biden's disastrous performance on CNN while all the other panelist where rightly shocked. That sums up the state of the Democratic Party and that attitude will cost them come November.
Most independents probably aren't voting for Trump, but they ain't voting Biden either after that performance. Better believe that MAGA will be out in full force and we will be stuck with another Trump presidency.
Biden needs to drop out. Kamala ain't the answer either, she would get destroyed in the general election. Maybe Newsome? Beshear? Sherrod Brown? I don't know but the Democrats need to wake up and change SOMETHING before its too late.