r/AlternateHistory • u/Tomnenhumnomeserve • 15d ago
Strong_Site's timeline can't be Without Reddit's most hated "Historian" 2000s
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u/Chance-Aardvark372 15d ago
I wonder what bullshit whatifalthist would be making in this timeline
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u/LePhoenixFires 15d ago
"I told you the incels would rise up against the woke liberal world order"
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u/MobofDucks 14d ago
Would he read academic literature from modern times again after the liberal world order was smashed or would that still be too cuck-ish?
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u/LePhoenixFires 14d ago
As long as it wasn't woke literature and had some color-in pages he'd read it
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u/MobofDucks 14d ago
And was published before the 70s.
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u/OhBarnacles123 15d ago
Turkey fills in the power vacuum left by the US
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u/thedarkmasterofdoom 15d ago
If there would be prequel that lead up to SACW according to Reddit, his YouTube title would be like:
“The Incoming Second American Civil War”
just like his infamous title video basically.
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u/Mesarthim1349 14d ago
Depending on where he lives, he might have died in this scenario, like a lot of other civilians.
Or he'd be in the fighting (which is also risk of dying).
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u/historynerdsutton 15d ago
why does he have 229 million subs
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u/Elementisphere 15d ago
Wait why do we hate Monsieurr Z? I thought we only hated whatifalthist
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u/Fartfech 15d ago
As a person, He's extremely right wing. A lot of his videos express far right rhetoric. He supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine, advocates for Eugenics, and a lot of his videos are restricted in the EU for this reason.
For his videos, his ideology bleeds into them very badly.
It is a common pattern, that Left-Wing regimes lose or perform terribly in his scenarios, while Right-Wing ones flourish and thrive, his extreme bias is obvious, and it ruins any chance for a clear picture or enjoyable content.
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u/NationalJustice 15d ago
Well not surprising that he supports Russia considering his name
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u/Fartfech 15d ago
For the record, I thought it was that originally too but apparently he's gone on record saying the Z means Gen Z; But yeah either its a very unfortunate coincidence or he's lying, which wouldn't be surprising.
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u/NationalJustice 15d ago
Hmm, I just assumed that he thought the letter Z is cool or something (my previous comment was a joke and I don’t think he actively named himself after the Russian military either)
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u/sporgking20 11d ago
It just an unfortunate coincidence. I used to be subscribed to him before the war and he was using the Z as a symbol back then.
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u/derekguerrero 14d ago
Wait the russian z actually means something?
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u/BiscottiTimely7740 14d ago edited 14d ago
At first it was just a sign to identify troops that we're going in ukraine (the one in the north if my memory is right). But now it's a pro war sign.
Edit: Corrected an error in the "in" where there was an "f" instead of a "i".
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u/This_Potato9 Modern Sealion! 15d ago
I mean, his videos are kinda wacky when talking about modern politics because he's kinda a doomer when talking about american conservatives
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u/LitanyofIron 12d ago
Listen he is right wing but she shouldn’t be censored if your American repeat after me the, 1st Amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Just because he is right wing doesn’t mean he has to be canceled. I listen to people I disagree with just to find 1 out ten thing we agree with at least start a dialogue. Freedom of speech is hard to accept in life you have to make sacrifices and hear things that makes your blood boil.
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u/The_Lonely_Posadist 15d ago
Hes a literal fascist. Have you seen his eugenics paper?
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u/KeneticKups 15d ago
It is a fascist but eugenics does not = fascist
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u/bigbenis2021 15d ago
Eugenics in the modern day is almost entirely supported by fascists.
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u/God_peanut 15d ago
Still doesn't mean eugenics = fascists. Otherwise we're calling a shit ton of people in the 19th and 20th century fascists.
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u/KeneticKups 15d ago
Depends on what you define as eugenics
are we talking the actual definition?
the idea that we shouldn't force people to be born with diseases?
killing everyone who has any flaws?
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u/Alarmed_Detail_256 14d ago
There is no modern day eugenics. Most universities, including those of what would later become the Ivy League, had eugenics departments and saw it as a legitimate subject in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. There were no fascists yet back then, and it had believers from across the political spectrum, especially from the liberal side. Everything is, fascist, fascist, fascist to you people. You dilute the meaning of the word when you stupidly throw it around at everyone to the right of the far left.
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u/Rhalinor 14d ago
Advocating for removing people from the gene pool because they have this or that phenotypical feature sounds pretty far-right nowadays, ngl
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u/Alarmed_Detail_256 14d ago
Ok then tell me which leader of the ‘far right’ as you call it advocates removing people from the gene pool because they have “this or that phenotypical feature”. The only group that wants to remove people from the gene pool are those who advocate abortion, and that is generally from the Left. Anyway, who is this leader of the Right that advocates eugenics?
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u/Rhalinor 14d ago edited 14d ago
My definition is a bit broader, since I consider both eugenics and expulsion from the country (like with the Armenian genocide) to be one and the same, tools for genetic cleansing in the scope of the state that conducts these policies (against the will of those who these policies are directed against).
For an example of the latter, take anyone that advocates for removal of foreigners in Europe, like Martin Sellner, Varg Vikernes and Breivik in the West, or Alexei Milchakov and Oleh Tyahnybok in the East.
I admit, my definition is broader since I also include expulsion as removal from the gene pool, but regardless.
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u/Alarmed_Detail_256 14d ago
Eugenics and population expulsion and Genocide are three entirely different things, and you ought to know that. I’ve read some of the young right wing Europeans like Sellner, for example. Nowhere in his or his wife’s extensive writings have I found words attesting the value of Eugenics. Why? Because at one time it was considered a science but over a fairly short time it was debunked in the west. The last people to try a version of it were the Nazis. Your “broad” definition stretches “broad” until it begs for mercy. It is utterly inaccurate and absurd. Lose it and do better.
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u/GumGumnoPistol300 15d ago
Imperialists, radical transhumanists, and ethnonationalists also believe in eugenics or something practically similar.
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u/GumGumnoPistol300 15d ago
Link also transhumanism >>>>>>>>>>>>> pseudo science (that's what eugenics is)
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u/No_Biscotti_7110 15d ago
He has stated in he past that he sympathizes with Jim Crow laws because “everybody knew their place in society”
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u/Helenos152 14d ago
Why do we hate either of them? I have never watched any of these two
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u/nanek_4 14d ago
Whatifalthis has went down a schizophrenia path with his videos while Monseur Z is pretty far right
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u/Helenos152 14d ago
Can you be more specific with the first one? Do you mean that he has made some crazy videos or something like that?
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u/MobofDucks 14d ago
Whatifaltiest started as a lovely, albeit odd sometimes, alt history channel. His shitty editing had some charm. Like your friends older brother that talked shit without knowing much as a kid. Like stuff you listen to at the side, while playing a game and eat ice cream.
After he got an audience, he started ranting about sub-high tier guys not fucking enough and getting extremist because of this. From there he went to prophetize the fall of "liberalism" or "woke governments" while completely dropping any kind of real explanations why things happen in their timelines.
Then he dropped the ball with his statements that academic literature "post-frankfurt" was shit and not to be believed. So basically the last 50+ years. Big hate-boner on Adorno and Habermas. But he started quoting/explaining stuff again. With a problem: Like, he now quotes some books to support his thesis about incel rebellions, book its awefully apperent that he just skimmed the first 15 pages or quotes thoughts of other peoples of the book without checking it themselves.
Guy just lost himself into the rabbithole and recently started to also unironically include esoteric and conspiratory stuff. Which he now sometimes frames as actually predictions "cause he did his reading" instead of althistory.
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u/Illustrious-Mind-251 15d ago
Nah reddit hates what if alt hist more
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u/JohnSmithWithAggron 15d ago
Moniseur Z is hated more in my opinion. It's just that we already talked about him plenty of times, and last time I checked, he isn't making funnily insane videos like "The Upcoming Incel Revolution".
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u/UkrainianHawk240 14d ago
Why is Monsieur z so hated?
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u/Level_Werewolf_7172 14d ago
Far right wing, expresses pro Russian ideas and supports the invasion of Ukraine, eugenics and compares American diversity to Austro-Hungarian and believes that any form of us nationalism is like Yugoslav nationalism where one state sees themselves as the leader of the hegemony, which isn’t true in the slightest
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u/CLE-local-1997 13d ago
Is he the one that refuses to read any academic historiography or pop history books written after like the '60s?
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u/JakesJustBetter55 11d ago
As someone in the middle, more right leaning now a days, I HATE Z’s content. He makes the wackiest scenarios basically as propaganda because it gets ragebait views
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u/CapitalSubstance7310 i made a deathnote post once 15d ago edited 15d ago
God, Monsieur z isn’t the worst. I ain’t going to praise him because he has said some shitty things. But I see people saying his alt just channel is “pure evil”
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u/The_Lonely_Posadist 15d ago
The eugenicist?
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u/KeneticKups 15d ago
By that did he advocate for murdering people with disabilities or did he say they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce?
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u/wweirdguy 15d ago
Both are eugenics dumbass
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u/KeneticKups 15d ago
So which did he say?
unless you are erroneously saying that there is no moral difference
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u/Last-Percentage5062 15d ago
Didn’t he say he liked Jim Crow because “everyone knew their place in society”? Like, whatifalthist sucks, but he’s just crazy. Monsieur Z is straight up evil.
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u/Angelicareich 15d ago
He isn't a crackhead like WIAH, he knows he's evil and he loves it
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u/CapitalSubstance7310 i made a deathnote post once 15d ago
A history YouTuber isn’t evil, i disargee with Fredda but I ain’t going to call him evil
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u/HistoricalHistrionic 15d ago
Hey mods, can we make a rule about clogging the page with memes about an implausible future history project which is clearly just an opportunity for the right-wing to engage in a circle-jerk? Because I’m sick of seeing stuff like this.
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u/Rexxmen12 15d ago
The guy pictured is literally far-right and the post is making fun of him
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u/HistoricalHistrionic 15d ago
I get that, but it’s still taking away from the rest of the sub. Half the time when I see a post from r/alternatehistory it’s stuff about this inane “scenario.”
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u/Rexxmen12 15d ago
If more people are posting than usual because of this scenario, it's not taking away from the sub
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u/HistoricalHistrionic 15d ago
In the same way that spam in my inbox takes away from the useful emails I get, these posts do take away from my enjoyment of the sub. If the increased engagement being fostered is of low-quality (which I wouldn’t say is the case for this particular post, actually, but would for the others I’ve seen) then that is not a positive.
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u/Valuable_Idea3102 15d ago
As a far left person, I don’t think the u/Strong_Site timeline is terrible.
While I don’t think Biden would do the things he does in that timeline (he doesn’t have the balls to get that bad), I don’t think it’s completely in bad faith. It’s an interesting scenario, and I don’t think the primary goal is to push an agenda.
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u/Gallbatorix-Shruikan 14d ago
I like the scenario since it shows what would happen if both sides were genuinely the same in terms of corruption and dirty tricks.
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u/Erwin_the_German 15d ago
Also incredibly sick of this one - it's a thinly disguised Ben Garrison cartoon in long form lol
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u/HistoricalHistrionic 15d ago
Seriously. It looks like a parody to someone without brain worms but is actually intended to be a realistic depiction of reality.
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u/viva_la_republica Roosevelt Lives 15d ago
We need to see what r/alternatehistory would be posting in this timeline.