r/xbox Zerg Rush 3d ago

Xbox Gaming Coming to Amazon Fire TV: Play More Games, No Console Needed Xbox Wire

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/06/27/xbox-cloud-gaming-amazon-fire-tv/
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u/CyberKiller40 Xbox Series X 3d ago

Chromecast when????!!!!

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u/Weekndr Founder 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's not a cloud streaming solution but I use XB Play to play my Xbox away from the lounge on my Chromecast.

You can also use it to play over the internet if you want to.

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u/gasparmx 3d ago

How do you use XB Play without a console, always when i tried to cast to my Chromecast it asks for a console, no matter what i do. Even if i want to play xbox cloud, i dont have an xbox but i pay for game pass ultimate.

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u/PsychoticKid 3d ago

I don’t think you can use it without a console, I could be wrong and would love to be wrong here but I personally couldn’t find a way to use it without a console.

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u/Tobimacoss 2d ago

Use Better xCloud app or the browser extension.  

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u/pbrt 2d ago

Better xCloud not working properly on my chromecast 4k

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u/CyberKiller40 Xbox Series X 3d ago

I use XBPlay too, but this should be an official thing. Google Chromecast is a very popular device and skipping it in favor of a few tv vendor apps is at least strange if not plainly dumb.

To anybody discovering XBPlay - buy it on steam, you get the android license with that too. Or you can try Greenlight which is free and works on PC and android too.

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u/WhaleTrain 2d ago

Plainly dumb? Nope - that's just business.

Arguably there are far more Fire TV devices than there are Chromecasts and with Microsoft's partnership with Amazon, you can see why they've gone this route.

XBPlay isn't exactly the same either.

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u/CyberKiller40 Xbox Series X 2d ago

More? Not in Europe, there aren't. It's android land over here.

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u/Jak33 3d ago

XB Play Would this be the best tion if I want to play on my xbox in another room? is there input lag?

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u/mkdota 3d ago

Cant the newer Chromecasts already do this since they can run Android apps?

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u/Imthecoolestdudeever Still Earning Kudos 3d ago

Just gotta find a way to get the APK and sideload it

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u/pbrt 2d ago

try your best, you will make many people happy! :)

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u/goonies969 3d ago

Not the easiest solution, but you can sideload the APK and it should work fine

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u/Breverly_ 3d ago

Apple TV when? 🙃🙃🙃

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u/shanem1996 3d ago

Kinda ironic this news gets announced the same week the Keystone got leaked. This is essentially what Keystone wouldve been except way more people own Fire Sticks and they have far more functionality than just running Game Pass. Huge win again for Xbox players!

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u/StrngBrew Founder 3d ago

I mean it’s been on Samsung TVs for a while now. So this isn’t really new, but it’s an expansion

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u/shanem1996 3d ago

Far more people have Fire Sticks than Samsung TVs

Edit: Just saw your edit. While it isn't new, it opens up Game Pass to millions more people who may not have otherwise had the opportunity to use it.

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u/StrngBrew Founder 3d ago

Yeah that’s what an expansion is. I agree

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u/Leafs17 3d ago

Source?

Remember it's 4k firesticks specifically

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u/shanem1996 3d ago

The only statistic I could find is that since 2017, Samsung has sold 40 million QLED and Neo QLED TVs. Couldn't find a statistic for every smart TV they've sold but Amazon have sold over 200 million Fire Sticks. I stand by assumption that there are more Fire Sticks than Samsung Smart TVs

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u/i_rolled_a_1_in_life 3d ago

yeah, but 4k fire sticks?

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u/BudWisenheimer 3d ago

The only statistic I could find is that since 2017 …

This is only for 4K Fire Sticks from 2023 (last year).

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u/Curtisy0303 3d ago

...and it's a heck of a lot cheaper to buy a firestick than a newer Samsung TV model. 

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u/denizenKRIM Founder 3d ago

Far more people have Fire Sticks than Samsung TVs

Samsung is the dominant leading TV manufacturer in North America and worldwide. That's definitely not true.

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u/ninereins48 3d ago

Tbf though, it only works on Samsung TV’s released in 2022 and up, so unless you have a brand new Samsung, it won’t run, and it’s definitely a lot cheaper to buy a new Firestick over a brand new tv.

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u/Yeet-Dab49 3d ago

I’m out of the loop, what’s Keystone?

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u/Connor123x 3d ago

keystone was code name for MS media stick they cancelled

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u/SomeWeedSmoker 3d ago

No need for a console. Somehow, big win for Xbox lol

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u/mf-TOM-HANK 3d ago

Aren't consoles generally sold at cost or at a loss, with the expectation that Xbox licensed software is where they will make their money?

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u/PaintItPurple 3d ago

Early in their lifecycle, yes. Later on, as far as I know, most successful consoles (e.g. probably not Ouya) have been profitable.

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u/batlhuber 3d ago

Fucking Ouya. I look at my brown day one founders edition in shame. What the he'll was I expecting?

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u/Shellman00 3d ago

What does the financials of a corpo have to do with xbox players

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u/BudWisenheimer 3d ago

What does the financials of a corpo have to do with xbox players

The more money corpo makes from subs, and the less they lose on the number of consoles it would take to accompany every one of those subs … the more money corpo can spend on getting more Xbox games to GamePass subscribers. See their recent acquisitions and showcase for evidence.

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u/Mrpink131211 3d ago

They aren't going to make it with cloud. The service is in no shape to be taken seriously today. It's a gimmick and only used to test a game. The latency and picture quality are abismal.

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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago

You have no idea what you’re talking about out it’s done nothing but improve steadily since it’s been on GamePass..

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u/anuncommontruth 3d ago

I don't use it often. But it's always worked fine for me? Especially for smaller games.

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u/theycmeroll 3d ago

I use it daily with very few issues and it’s consistently getting better.

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u/FuckYouThrowaway99 3d ago

Microsoft in recent years has always been about subscriptions as a service (SAAS) and if you haven't seen that, you're not paying attention. 365, Copilot, Game Pass. They don't care about the hardware. They want the hook on recurring revenue. Not saying this is a good thing, just the strategy.

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u/Wrxloser1215 3d ago

I mean yeah, if they are paying for gamepass every month it is a win. They're making money and not losing it on a console.

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u/RealCrusader 3d ago

Again? What was the last one? Doesn't this only benefit yanks? What countries does this apply to? It's like xbox one again, 

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u/Tobimacoss 3d ago

25 countries

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u/sonicfonico 3d ago

In what sense

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u/hufferstl 3d ago

ROKU PLEASE

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u/No-Crew-6528 2d ago

That would make sense cuz Roku is an American company too 🇺🇸 🦅

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u/OGRedd 2d ago

Roku can't even get twitch, so doubtful

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u/miscellaneouspants 2d ago

Twitch is owned by Amazon.

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u/Prudent-Sun4282 3d ago

The apk will sideload to Google TV devices.

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u/RazarusMaximus 3d ago

This is great news,
I often use my phone+kishi or tablet+controller or the Portal for cloud/remote gaming in a room where the consoles do not reside.
Now I can use the TV, absolute result.

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u/Logical_Squirrel8970 3d ago

Picked up a Kishi 2 weeks ago, I love that thing lol

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u/An_Individualist 3d ago

Curious if anyone knows if you can access your Xbox dashboard and apps such as Microsoft movies and tv through this, or if it just lets you access games?

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u/116morningside 3d ago

Just the games

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u/TomahawkKevin XBOX 3d ago

Just the games I imagine, similar to the cloud play currently available. Seems to be only 4k firesticks for now.

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u/KingBlueTwister 3d ago

Any friend list and some settings / storage

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u/carloselcoco Reclamation Day 3d ago

It's just for XCloud access. Does not include console streaming.

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u/smurf_diggler 3d ago

My samsung Tv has the app too, You connect the controller to the tv and sign into gamepass and can play, but I've never tried it lol

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u/Black_Debbie 3d ago

I've tried it a few times on mine and I haven't had any issues with it at all. I've played Assassins Creed and Fortnite on it. I also have great internet so that is a huge factor in how well it ran.

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u/116morningside 3d ago

I work from home and I use it all the time! My Xbox is in our office/game room so during the day while my GF works in the office, I’m in the living room playing off the app on my Samsung tv(even though I should be working haha) works really good.

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u/smurf_diggler 3d ago

That's sweet, I have my series x hooked up to my samsung and a 1X in my bedroom, so I don't really have a need to use the app but it's good to know.

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u/seph_j 3d ago

My LG OLED C3 is waiting... and dont even speak about my Nvidia Shield Pro...

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u/AggravatingEstate214 3d ago

Nvidia sucks on LG. I binned it off after a few really poor streams on 200mbps.

I hope they release GP on LG soon

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u/Baldeagle84 2d ago

Strange they haven't yet as the CX was the recommended tv for SX at launch nearly 4 years ago

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u/gigocap 3d ago

I highly doubt of a native Xbox App appearing in an LG TV for now because the deal Microsoft has with Samsung.

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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago

That’s not what he said he said he’s excited for the 4K fire stick.

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u/seph_j 2d ago

I said I was waiting for Xbox cloud app on the LG or Nvidia shield

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u/gigocap 3d ago

Well, he said his OLED C3 is waiting, not his fire stick, but ok. lol

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u/BudWisenheimer 3d ago

Well, he said his OLED C3 is waiting …

Waiting for the fire stick … presumably to replace the Nvidia Shield Pro they mentioned.

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u/Phil_Mike-Huntin 3d ago

Shame it's only available to the 4K Amazon sticks from last year.

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u/Reticent_Robot 3d ago

Oh damn that sucks.  I have the old 4K box version, was about to go dig it out of storage.

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u/Tobimacoss 2d ago

Those are the only devices with FireOS 8 it seems.

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u/nilestyle 3d ago

Sucks, but isn’t it also only like $30?

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u/Phil_Mike-Huntin 3d ago

More like double that? Not worth it for me personally when I don't need to upgrade

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u/nilestyle 3d ago

$40 right now at Best Buy, but fair point. If the value isn’t there, it isn’t there!

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u/Tobimacoss 3d ago

$50 and $60 normal prices for 4k stick and 4k stick max.  But Amazon Prime Day is coming up and is sure to have big sales on them, likely $35.  

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u/OGRedd 2d ago

They will give your $5 for the old 4k stick lol

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u/pawnstah 1d ago

They’ll be $30 definitely on Prime days coming up in like two weeks

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u/WilhelmScreams 3d ago

Sticks regularly go on sale for $30 - next prime day is in July. May pick one up. Got three kids and one xbox and its not working out so great on summer break 😬

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u/Black_Otter 3d ago

I have a 4k Fire TV so I guess I’m fucked for now

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u/Astraliguss 3d ago

Available TO Fire Stick 4K or 4K Max in general. If you have any of those 2, you will be fine. 

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u/Twocanpocket 2d ago

Are you sure? It specifically states the 2023 model

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u/MattDesmond1988 3d ago

I always like my console. However, for people who have good internet and want to play Xbox this way is amazing! Good for Xbox for giving players options!

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u/WingXCustom 2d ago

Agreed. I may have to get another Fire Stick 4k Max the next time they have a big sale (like this upcoming Prime Day in July) for traveling purposes. 

Sounds much cheaper and more portable than the Series S I was considering. 

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u/downsj2 3d ago

Cool to see, but no mention of the higher end Amazon Fire Cube device, nor of Luna controllers.

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u/Tobimacoss 3d ago

Luna controllers should work.  xCloud works with all standard controllers.  And I think they may release a 4th Gen FireCube this October.

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u/downsj2 3d ago

Oh, I wasn't doubting they do. I just found it interesting that no mention of the device Amazon once marketed as being more gaming/game streaming friendly and the matching controller from their own still-born service went unmentioned.

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u/whiteferrari- 3d ago

been thinking of getting an xbox but i might just give this a try for now

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u/WingXCustom 2d ago

Should work fairly decently for most offline games. I know I was even able to play ESO via the cloud recently with minimal lag. Stuff like the next CoD or Diablo IV may not run as smoothly though.  

There was also some discernable lag on certain precision based single player games though, like Hollow Knight, which I felt made the experience somewhat unplayable. Slightly slower or Turn based RPGs on the other hand should be fine. 

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u/Visual-Cricket82 2d ago

I have a series x but haven't opened it yet since I can stream game pass on my android phone, Samsung smart monitor and my old Xbox one x. In hindsight kinda regret spending $500 on series x since I'm not too picky with graphics anyways and I mainly stream xbox games

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u/sendnudestocheermeup 3d ago

I need gamepass on my Ouya

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u/uesad 3d ago

Xbox/Microsoft for the win, until the next new thing….

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u/StrikerObi 3d ago edited 3d ago

Remember when Phil said that they'd love to make a GamePass streaming app for iOS if only Apple would let them, and then when Apple changed their policy to allow for this type of app to exist Phil suddenly changed his mind and said they would continue to only offer a web-based GamePass streaming solution on iOS?

I guess that means we'll probably also never get a GamePass streaming app for the AppleTV streaming box, since it's tvOS is a fork off of iOS.

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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago

Apple and Microsoft hate each other.

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u/lancersrock 3d ago

You know how much money they could both make by announcing gp for Apple paired with an Xbox branded iPhone controller?

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u/texxmix 3d ago

But xcloud works if you are using safari on an iPhone/ipad.

So what’s the excuse now Phil?

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u/Leyendas_Legendarias 3d ago

I wonder if it will also be available on Amazon fire tv(not just the stick)

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u/nonamestho 3d ago

Potential for gamepass to explode this holiday.

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u/sonicfonico 3d ago

Sadly Cod is not going to be on Cloud Gaming, that would have been the biggest potential push. But yeah, i also think there's a lot of potential!

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u/nonamestho 3d ago

Ohhh yeah. I forgot about that.. 🤣hope Indy don’t slip then

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u/Pajamashark 3d ago

Imagine if this launched like 6 months ago, and they had commercials for Gamepass and cloud before every episode of Fallout. Huge missed opportunity here by timing this poorly. Pretty standard for Xbox tbh.

good news tho, there are like 50 million Fire devices out there.

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u/Top-Fuel-8892 3d ago

So, instead of spending $450 on that console this week, I could have just spent $75 on a FireStick instead?

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u/Historical-Goal7079 3d ago

I bought a series x last month for 400.

It’s no worries that their game pass is growing on other hardware.

The series X is powerful and you can’t do Xbox live multiplayer at a high level from cloud streaming

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u/EvenStephen7 3d ago

I can't lie -- as soon as they let me stream my digital library as well, I'm selling my Series X and just doing this.

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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago

I mean you can but you won’t be able to run every game and streaming doesn’t run or look as good as native gaming.

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u/Baldeagle84 3d ago

The console will be a better experience, even when playing a cloud game on console it states installing the game will work better and asks if you want to proceed with cloud or not. Enjoy the console!

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u/Dantai 2d ago

Xcloud still leaves a lot to be desired, especially compared to GeForce now

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u/Howling_Mad_Man 3d ago

I've tried the XBPlay app on my FireTv a couple of times to stream my console and it hasn't been the smoothest ride. Hopefully this goes better.

The tv itself also likes to make me redownload the whole damn thing if I don't use it often enough. I'd love to not have to do that anymore with this.

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u/MidlevelCrisis 3d ago

Is licensing preventing them from just releasing an app that runs on all android smart tvs that meet a minimum spec? I dont know anyone with a fire stick, I'm guessing its popular in the US. But if my tvs Amazon Prime app can stream movies surely it could stream videogames.

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u/Trogdor_a_Burninator 3d ago

I think it's already a thing on Samsung. And it's only streamable game pass games.

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u/Proud_Criticism5286 3d ago

I can finally dust off my fire stick

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u/noloveinLA 3d ago

Wouldn't an apk from the fire stick technically be able to be installed on a Chromecast or Android tv?

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u/Tobimacoss 2d ago

Yes, however Amazon is very likely switching away from Android based FireOS to a Linux based one.  

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u/DONOHUEO7 3d ago

Phenomenal news

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u/ThePandaDaily 3d ago

That’s awesome news.

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u/IndividualCalendar34 3d ago

Spec-wise, the Amazon Fire TV Cube is the same as the 4K+ Fire Stick. I'd assume this update would work on it far better than the Fire Sticks, simply because the Cube has an Ethernet port. It would be great if my Cube benefited too. Guess I'll see in July.

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u/Kummakivi 2d ago

Same. Fuck em if it doesn't. It's a better device.

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u/Connor123x 3d ago

i wish they would add microsoft movies to sticks

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u/JasonTerminator 3d ago

Hoping for Apple TV next!

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u/fabio80mi 3d ago

Any confirmation if that means the issue with Fire TV Stick/Cube not working properly with Xbox Controllers (i.e. menu and start button not working due to FireOS mapping those commands) will be solved then?

Right now you can already play on Fire TV cube Stick by sideloading the Xbox Cloud Gaming APK but then you encounter issues with the Xbox Controller....

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u/Tobimacoss 2d ago

Very likely the reason to do an official app so they can make it smooth ride in terms of connectivity.  

Btw, Amazon is switching away from Android based FireOS to Linux based one.  

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u/lifeofrevelations 3d ago

Wow this is huge! Their potential install base just got hugely larger.

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u/arslankadirr 2d ago

Please add more servers to Europe... It's shit as hell.

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u/BECondensateSnake Homecoming 2d ago

Okay cool, can xCloud get support in Asia now?

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u/newpcbuilder69 2d ago

Do we know if this will work with Amazon TV Qled or do we need the Amazon stick Tv?

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u/WingXCustom 2d ago

Now they should go after Google Chromecast and Roku devices 

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u/scorpioviper 2d ago

Are your saves uploaded to the cloud? If I wanna play something on a fire TV will my saves be available?

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u/Artistic-Owl548 2d ago

Hi everyone. I read this will be availabe in 25 countries, does anyone have the list of those countries please? Cant find it anywhere.

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u/lolimdivine 1d ago

does anyone have an actual date? every article i can find just says july

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u/TheVossDoss 3d ago

Has anyone ever been able to stream games well? I’ve never been able to. Seems like you need gig+ internet speeds. Not sure how well this will take off for the masses who don’t have exceptional internet.

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u/ShortNefariousness2 3d ago

200-500 Mbit/s broadband is very common (UK), and streaming works great with that. Great if you can't afford a current gen console.

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u/CaptainBrooksie 3d ago

I used Google Stadia successfully and use XCloud without issues.

I have Fibre and live not far from a data centre though

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u/texxmix 3d ago

Ya the proximity to a data centre and how busy the servers running these games over the cloud probably play a bigger role in quality.

I only have 150mbps and stadia always ran great for me and xcloud usually ran pretty good. Once I’m done with my current games I wanna play on PS5 I’m thinking I might give xcloud another try. Great way to play Xbox games when it runs well instead of buying a Series S.

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u/fragryt7 3d ago

I have only 25 Mbps internet, but I have never encountered any major issues with streaming. I use Steam Deck (xbplay app) and Series S. The lag is only noticeable with high-speed Tetris or competitive FPS.

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u/116morningside 3d ago

25mbps? You’re living in the dark ages

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u/fragryt7 3d ago

My bad lol. I just checked and It's actually *up to 200 Mbps for 29 USD a month. But I used to game stream with 25 Mbps max.

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u/Baldeagle84 3d ago

You think 25mb is bad? Where I live remote farms use a mirror on a hill to reflect a satellite signal to a few properties to supply internet. Not sure on the speed they get. Sometimes the mirror gets blown over lol. to be fair I doubt many of them are gamers

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u/116morningside 3d ago

That’s wild. I live in a big city so I’m getting 1.5GBs for $80 a month.

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u/texxmix 3d ago

I wish I’m paying the same and I’m only getting 150Mbps and I live in a mid sized city. 1gbps here costs double.

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u/Na5aman 3d ago

It works pretty well for most games. I try not to play multiplayer shooters through it though.

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u/Ok-Confusion-202 3d ago

I think it worked pretty well at 200 Mbps, but I will say, it's about server placement too.

And I will say this, Xbox when It comes to cloud gaming are probably 3rd to their competitors, I would place Geforce Now at the top spot by a mile, Geforce has less latency (there still is some, but it's better than XCloud) the quality is better overall, on XCloud it can be very pixelated and low resolution, from my experience Geforce Now doesn't do that at all, keeps a consistent quality while also being at a higher resolution than XCloud, also you are playing PC games so they will look better (if you have a better rig obviously)

XClouds latency is the issue, it's not terrible, but it's not great, very noticeable and annoying, especially for games like FIFA and CoD, which you would want to get to run perfectly as these are the best sellers and people play the most.

Very ranty lmao, but you get what I mean, I don't think cloud will ever be more than "it's cool, let me play on my console though"

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u/josriley 3d ago

I bought whatever the highest end firestick was a few years ago, and that thing can’t even run HBO Now menus consistently.

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u/Le1jona 3d ago

Cool

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u/Owl_Szn 3d ago

After I just replaced my Fire Stick (potentially too old) with Apple TV 4k

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u/BoulderCAST 3d ago

Will never own a FireStick or FireTV, but this is more games on more screens, which is Xbox's big push right now. Cloud gaming is never going to take off in the living room or desk setup, not mass market at least. We already have 4Gbit internet and it still isn't a great experience to play on TVs with lower framerates, lower visual quality, input lag and other issues like shuddering.

The only place it maybe makes sense is mobile, and even that is questionable with reasonably powerful PCs taking mobile form factors. 720p 30fps is fine for a small handheld.

It's almost a certainty in my eyes that Xbox will release either 2 or 3 next-gen consoles in 2026 or 2027. Series X successor for sure and one (or two) lower tiered devices that will succeed the Series S. The low end console will either be like series S, or be like the Switch and can be docked or handheld.

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u/baladreams 3d ago

I fail to see the point of not just letting wlthr browser support it or bringing it to just two specific models, if it can run on an old android phone

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u/Digital_Pharmacist 3d ago

Sooooooo…..is Amazon gonna kill Luna ? I’d say this is putting Luna in the same plot as Stadia.

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u/tootIst 3d ago

Great news for ubisoft who owns the cloud rights to MS games.

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u/sonicfonico 3d ago

No, they only owns the one of Activision games, wich for that reason arent on Xcloud (for now). The others are all Xbox.

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u/PhoenixHabanero 3d ago

Whatever gets them to make another Halo campaign. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Steve Downes isn't getting any younger. 🙁

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u/sahils88 3d ago

Apple TV please.

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u/mr-blue- 3d ago

cloud gaming on the console is super contingent on internet stability. I have gigabyte speed and I still can’t play PvP games

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u/Flat-Inspector2634 3d ago

PVP games might not be optimal but PVE games can be quite enjoyable. I played a good portion of Cyberpunk on stadia and it felt fine

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u/Whythen 3d ago

So this is strictly for Samsung TVs and doesn't matter if one would have a Pioneer Fire TV, correct? I've got one half of the equation, lol

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u/Tobimacoss 2d ago

No, this is for a Fire Stick that can be plugged into ANY TV.  

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u/Whythen 2d ago

Thank you! I’m not sure why I got so crossed up from that, how embarrassing lol I appreciate the clarification.

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u/MasterLogic Reclamation Day 3d ago

It's hard to imagine xbox having a next gen console when they've been planning this for years.

I'm glad it wasn't a Samsung exclusive. Wonder if it'll come to older tvs instead of latest models. 

Xbox is definitely going the way of stadia. Google are going to kick themselves when they realise what they could have had. 

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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago

They’re not going the way of Stadia, they’re giving options. If u wanna stream stream, if u wanna get a Xbox get a Xbox, if u want GamePass that’s an excellent option and if u want PC gamepass or just wanna play Xbox games on PC do that. If u wanna buy your games you can do that too. You’re living in the 90’s worried about console sales.

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u/Quinn07plu 3d ago

They literally said they are still making abd investment in hardware your just either blind or not understanding how business works.

More avenues for money is good.

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u/116morningside 3d ago

Doubt it will come to older TVs

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u/Ok_Stage_6753 XBOX 360 3d ago

Xbox continuing to emphasize that you don't need a console to play their games before scratching their heads over why their hardware sales are so low will never make sense to me.

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u/pat_the_giraffe 3d ago

Hardware loses money. Software makes money. Easy choice

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u/NightFlight-77 Xbox Series X 3d ago

What's wrong with options ?

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u/Ok_Stage_6753 XBOX 360 3d ago

Because it discourages people from buying into the ecosystem properly, which means less revenue which means more games going to other platforms, which leads to even less hardware sales and 3rd party support.

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u/ElGarnelo 3d ago

If you travel a lot and stay in hotels , that’s a nice touch. You don’t need to bring the whole console. You just need a stick and controller.

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u/Ok_Stage_6753 XBOX 360 3d ago edited 3d ago

Isn't that what the Series S is for though? You can easily fit it into a backpack.

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u/ElGarnelo 3d ago

But it’s easier to travel with a stick than a console.

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u/PoPo573 3d ago

Their ecosystem is primarily subscriptions and software. They're running a different plan than the others and for them it's working. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing and I think it's good for the gaming environment to be looking at things differently.

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u/velocipus 3d ago

It’s not working. The dedicated hardware is where they will see the highest adoption rates of their software and services and higher profit margins. What they are doing will continue to kill the hardware which will in turn kill the brand and its services.

All this nonsense of going multiplatform and too loose with access to their services is a deathwish.

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u/RazarusMaximus 3d ago

You speak with such conviction that I would appreciate the statistics to backup your statements.

The only statistics I can find are the ones that show xbox gamepass subscriber numbers increasing year on year.
I cant see if that is because the xcloud can be accessed from a device that nearly every household will have by default or if its to do with their hardware sales.

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u/PoPo573 3d ago

Dedicated hardware is generally sold at a loss. With the ability to sell games and subscriptions to basically anyone who owns any console, a PC, or just a TV they're broadening who can play the games and give them money through subscriptions and software sales.

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u/velocipus 3d ago

Which will in turn kill the console, which about kills the brand as they can’t just rely on PC and cloud sticks. Primarily going multiplatform on their competitor’s consoles kills it.

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u/NotAnotherAmerican 3d ago

I feel like Microsoft is moving away from consoles and focusing more on the streaming and game dev side of things.

"Every screen is an Xbox," is a quote that comes to mind.

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u/velocipus 3d ago

Yes and that is a problems die obvious reasons. Unless they plan to leave the console business for good, which would be bad for gaming as a whole, then it’s a bad plan for the brand.

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u/NotAnotherAmerican 3d ago

Why is it bad for gaming as a whole? I think streaming games straight to your TV is brilliant. It's not like Nintendo or Sony are going to stop making consoles. Microsoft doesn't win console wars. It's sad but it's true. They sell at a loss like everyone else, but they also don't profit from their hardware as much as others. It makes sense to bow out of the console side of things and focus on what makes them money instead.

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u/MrEfficacious 3d ago

Microsoft has set themselves up to succeed in multiple scenarios. Hardware sales numbers will mean less and less going forward.

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u/pat_the_giraffe 3d ago

So that’s why PlayStation plus is doing soo much better than gamepass? lol. Cause they have way higher console sales you know

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u/velocipus 3d ago

PS doesn’t put their first party games on the service until long after their sales have dried up and they also don’t do many third-party day and date games at all. So rarely do any new games hit the service.

It’s simply not comparable.

You people are completely delusional and in hard cope mode.

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u/sonicfonico 3d ago

It isn't? Lol.

It has more subscribers (not even much more) but most of them are the base Plus required to play online and that's it. So Is normal that they are more, there are more Playstation around full of players that want to play online, but they are not spending 17 dollars/month.

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u/Barantis-Firamuur 3d ago

What makes you think that your definition of hardware-only is the correct one in terms of "buying into the ecosystem properly". Also, all of your points here are just baseless conjecture.

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u/More-Cup-1176 3d ago

hardware loses money for them, if they have people giving them money without spending that money on hardware; that’s net profit

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u/Zerox392 3d ago

They aren't going to abandon consoles but at the same time provide more options. Wow, it just makes 0 sense.

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u/sonicfonico 3d ago

I guess Microsoft is abandoning Surface because Windows is everywhere?

And Google is abandoning his phones because Android is everywhere?

And Apple will stop making Apple TVs because the app is on my Xbox?

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u/LivingwithED 3d ago edited 3d ago

Fire TVs are ass.

Apple TV or bust.

lol, Amazon stans downvoting with their vastly inferior products. I love it.

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u/LinkRazr Founder 3d ago

Apple wouldn’t want that to compete with Arcade+

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u/LivingwithED 3d ago

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u/LinkRazr Founder 3d ago

It does when they figure people would rather play Xbox games than have an Apple Arcade subscription. Thats why Apple would charging 30% of the subscription price for gaming apps on its store. And Microsoft doesn’t want to play that’s sort of game with them.

They could also just as easily put Safari on the AppleTV and WebApps would also work. But they don’t want to do that for similar reasons.

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u/LivingwithED 3d ago

Really doesn’t, but I’m not going back and forth over this ridiculous thought of Arcade competing with Game Pass.

I already stated Apple is open to supporting it. It’s on Microsoft to do the rest. Bye.

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