r/xbox • u/Xbox-Moderator Zerg Rush • 3d ago
Xbox Gaming Coming to Amazon Fire TV: Play More Games, No Console Needed Xbox Wire
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/06/27/xbox-cloud-gaming-amazon-fire-tv/165
u/shanem1996 3d ago
Kinda ironic this news gets announced the same week the Keystone got leaked. This is essentially what Keystone wouldve been except way more people own Fire Sticks and they have far more functionality than just running Game Pass. Huge win again for Xbox players!
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u/StrngBrew Founder 3d ago
I mean it’s been on Samsung TVs for a while now. So this isn’t really new, but it’s an expansion
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u/shanem1996 3d ago
Far more people have Fire Sticks than Samsung TVs
Edit: Just saw your edit. While it isn't new, it opens up Game Pass to millions more people who may not have otherwise had the opportunity to use it.
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u/Leafs17 3d ago
Source?
Remember it's 4k firesticks specifically
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u/shanem1996 3d ago
The only statistic I could find is that since 2017, Samsung has sold 40 million QLED and Neo QLED TVs. Couldn't find a statistic for every smart TV they've sold but Amazon have sold over 200 million Fire Sticks. I stand by assumption that there are more Fire Sticks than Samsung Smart TVs
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u/BudWisenheimer 3d ago
The only statistic I could find is that since 2017 …
This is only for 4K Fire Sticks from 2023 (last year).
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u/Curtisy0303 3d ago
...and it's a heck of a lot cheaper to buy a firestick than a newer Samsung TV model.
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u/denizenKRIM Founder 3d ago
Far more people have Fire Sticks than Samsung TVs
Samsung is the dominant leading TV manufacturer in North America and worldwide. That's definitely not true.
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u/ninereins48 3d ago
Tbf though, it only works on Samsung TV’s released in 2022 and up, so unless you have a brand new Samsung, it won’t run, and it’s definitely a lot cheaper to buy a new Firestick over a brand new tv.
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u/Yeet-Dab49 3d ago
I’m out of the loop, what’s Keystone?
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u/SomeWeedSmoker 3d ago
No need for a console. Somehow, big win for Xbox lol
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u/mf-TOM-HANK 3d ago
Aren't consoles generally sold at cost or at a loss, with the expectation that Xbox licensed software is where they will make their money?
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u/PaintItPurple 3d ago
Early in their lifecycle, yes. Later on, as far as I know, most successful consoles (e.g. probably not Ouya) have been profitable.
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u/batlhuber 3d ago
Fucking Ouya. I look at my brown day one founders edition in shame. What the he'll was I expecting?
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u/Shellman00 3d ago
What does the financials of a corpo have to do with xbox players
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u/BudWisenheimer 3d ago
What does the financials of a corpo have to do with xbox players
The more money corpo makes from subs, and the less they lose on the number of consoles it would take to accompany every one of those subs … the more money corpo can spend on getting more Xbox games to GamePass subscribers. See their recent acquisitions and showcase for evidence.
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u/Mrpink131211 3d ago
They aren't going to make it with cloud. The service is in no shape to be taken seriously today. It's a gimmick and only used to test a game. The latency and picture quality are abismal.
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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago
You have no idea what you’re talking about out it’s done nothing but improve steadily since it’s been on GamePass..
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u/anuncommontruth 3d ago
I don't use it often. But it's always worked fine for me? Especially for smaller games.
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u/FuckYouThrowaway99 3d ago
Microsoft in recent years has always been about subscriptions as a service (SAAS) and if you haven't seen that, you're not paying attention. 365, Copilot, Game Pass. They don't care about the hardware. They want the hook on recurring revenue. Not saying this is a good thing, just the strategy.
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u/Wrxloser1215 3d ago
I mean yeah, if they are paying for gamepass every month it is a win. They're making money and not losing it on a console.
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u/RealCrusader 3d ago
Again? What was the last one? Doesn't this only benefit yanks? What countries does this apply to? It's like xbox one again,
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u/hufferstl 3d ago
ROKU PLEASE
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u/No-Crew-6528 2d ago
That would make sense cuz Roku is an American company too 🇺🇸 🦅
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u/RazarusMaximus 3d ago
This is great news,
I often use my phone+kishi or tablet+controller or the Portal for cloud/remote gaming in a room where the consoles do not reside.
Now I can use the TV, absolute result.
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u/An_Individualist 3d ago
Curious if anyone knows if you can access your Xbox dashboard and apps such as Microsoft movies and tv through this, or if it just lets you access games?
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u/TomahawkKevin XBOX 3d ago
Just the games I imagine, similar to the cloud play currently available. Seems to be only 4k firesticks for now.
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u/carloselcoco Reclamation Day 3d ago
It's just for XCloud access. Does not include console streaming.
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u/smurf_diggler 3d ago
My samsung Tv has the app too, You connect the controller to the tv and sign into gamepass and can play, but I've never tried it lol
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u/Black_Debbie 3d ago
I've tried it a few times on mine and I haven't had any issues with it at all. I've played Assassins Creed and Fortnite on it. I also have great internet so that is a huge factor in how well it ran.
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u/116morningside 3d ago
I work from home and I use it all the time! My Xbox is in our office/game room so during the day while my GF works in the office, I’m in the living room playing off the app on my Samsung tv(even though I should be working haha) works really good.
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u/smurf_diggler 3d ago
That's sweet, I have my series x hooked up to my samsung and a 1X in my bedroom, so I don't really have a need to use the app but it's good to know.
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u/seph_j 3d ago
My LG OLED C3 is waiting... and dont even speak about my Nvidia Shield Pro...
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u/AggravatingEstate214 3d ago
Nvidia sucks on LG. I binned it off after a few really poor streams on 200mbps.
I hope they release GP on LG soon
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u/Baldeagle84 2d ago
Strange they haven't yet as the CX was the recommended tv for SX at launch nearly 4 years ago
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u/gigocap 3d ago
I highly doubt of a native Xbox App appearing in an LG TV for now because the deal Microsoft has with Samsung.
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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago
That’s not what he said he said he’s excited for the 4K fire stick.
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u/gigocap 3d ago
Well, he said his OLED C3 is waiting, not his fire stick, but ok. lol
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u/BudWisenheimer 3d ago
Well, he said his OLED C3 is waiting …
Waiting for the fire stick … presumably to replace the Nvidia Shield Pro they mentioned.
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u/Phil_Mike-Huntin 3d ago
Shame it's only available to the 4K Amazon sticks from last year.
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u/Reticent_Robot 3d ago
Oh damn that sucks. I have the old 4K box version, was about to go dig it out of storage.
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u/nilestyle 3d ago
Sucks, but isn’t it also only like $30?
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u/Phil_Mike-Huntin 3d ago
More like double that? Not worth it for me personally when I don't need to upgrade
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u/nilestyle 3d ago
$40 right now at Best Buy, but fair point. If the value isn’t there, it isn’t there!
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u/Tobimacoss 3d ago
$50 and $60 normal prices for 4k stick and 4k stick max. But Amazon Prime Day is coming up and is sure to have big sales on them, likely $35.
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u/WilhelmScreams 3d ago
Sticks regularly go on sale for $30 - next prime day is in July. May pick one up. Got three kids and one xbox and its not working out so great on summer break 😬
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u/Black_Otter 3d ago
I have a 4k Fire TV so I guess I’m fucked for now
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u/Astraliguss 3d ago
Available TO Fire Stick 4K or 4K Max in general. If you have any of those 2, you will be fine.
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u/MattDesmond1988 3d ago
I always like my console. However, for people who have good internet and want to play Xbox this way is amazing! Good for Xbox for giving players options!
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u/WingXCustom 2d ago
Agreed. I may have to get another Fire Stick 4k Max the next time they have a big sale (like this upcoming Prime Day in July) for traveling purposes.
Sounds much cheaper and more portable than the Series S I was considering.
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u/downsj2 3d ago
Cool to see, but no mention of the higher end Amazon Fire Cube device, nor of Luna controllers.
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u/Tobimacoss 3d ago
Luna controllers should work. xCloud works with all standard controllers. And I think they may release a 4th Gen FireCube this October.
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u/whiteferrari- 3d ago
been thinking of getting an xbox but i might just give this a try for now
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u/WingXCustom 2d ago
Should work fairly decently for most offline games. I know I was even able to play ESO via the cloud recently with minimal lag. Stuff like the next CoD or Diablo IV may not run as smoothly though.
There was also some discernable lag on certain precision based single player games though, like Hollow Knight, which I felt made the experience somewhat unplayable. Slightly slower or Turn based RPGs on the other hand should be fine.
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u/Visual-Cricket82 2d ago
I have a series x but haven't opened it yet since I can stream game pass on my android phone, Samsung smart monitor and my old Xbox one x. In hindsight kinda regret spending $500 on series x since I'm not too picky with graphics anyways and I mainly stream xbox games
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u/StrikerObi 3d ago edited 3d ago
Remember when Phil said that they'd love to make a GamePass streaming app for iOS if only Apple would let them, and then when Apple changed their policy to allow for this type of app to exist Phil suddenly changed his mind and said they would continue to only offer a web-based GamePass streaming solution on iOS?
I guess that means we'll probably also never get a GamePass streaming app for the AppleTV streaming box, since it's tvOS is a fork off of iOS.
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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago
Apple and Microsoft hate each other.
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u/lancersrock 3d ago
You know how much money they could both make by announcing gp for Apple paired with an Xbox branded iPhone controller?
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u/Leyendas_Legendarias 3d ago
I wonder if it will also be available on Amazon fire tv(not just the stick)
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u/nonamestho 3d ago
Potential for gamepass to explode this holiday.
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u/sonicfonico 3d ago
Sadly Cod is not going to be on Cloud Gaming, that would have been the biggest potential push. But yeah, i also think there's a lot of potential!
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u/Pajamashark 3d ago
Imagine if this launched like 6 months ago, and they had commercials for Gamepass and cloud before every episode of Fallout. Huge missed opportunity here by timing this poorly. Pretty standard for Xbox tbh.
good news tho, there are like 50 million Fire devices out there.
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u/Top-Fuel-8892 3d ago
So, instead of spending $450 on that console this week, I could have just spent $75 on a FireStick instead?
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u/Historical-Goal7079 3d ago
I bought a series x last month for 400.
It’s no worries that their game pass is growing on other hardware.
The series X is powerful and you can’t do Xbox live multiplayer at a high level from cloud streaming
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u/EvenStephen7 3d ago
I can't lie -- as soon as they let me stream my digital library as well, I'm selling my Series X and just doing this.
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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago
I mean you can but you won’t be able to run every game and streaming doesn’t run or look as good as native gaming.
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u/Baldeagle84 3d ago
The console will be a better experience, even when playing a cloud game on console it states installing the game will work better and asks if you want to proceed with cloud or not. Enjoy the console!
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u/Howling_Mad_Man 3d ago
I've tried the XBPlay app on my FireTv a couple of times to stream my console and it hasn't been the smoothest ride. Hopefully this goes better.
The tv itself also likes to make me redownload the whole damn thing if I don't use it often enough. I'd love to not have to do that anymore with this.
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u/MidlevelCrisis 3d ago
Is licensing preventing them from just releasing an app that runs on all android smart tvs that meet a minimum spec? I dont know anyone with a fire stick, I'm guessing its popular in the US. But if my tvs Amazon Prime app can stream movies surely it could stream videogames.
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u/Trogdor_a_Burninator 3d ago
I think it's already a thing on Samsung. And it's only streamable game pass games.
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u/noloveinLA 3d ago
Wouldn't an apk from the fire stick technically be able to be installed on a Chromecast or Android tv?
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u/Tobimacoss 2d ago
Yes, however Amazon is very likely switching away from Android based FireOS to a Linux based one.
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u/IndividualCalendar34 3d ago
Spec-wise, the Amazon Fire TV Cube is the same as the 4K+ Fire Stick. I'd assume this update would work on it far better than the Fire Sticks, simply because the Cube has an Ethernet port. It would be great if my Cube benefited too. Guess I'll see in July.
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u/fabio80mi 3d ago
Any confirmation if that means the issue with Fire TV Stick/Cube not working properly with Xbox Controllers (i.e. menu and start button not working due to FireOS mapping those commands) will be solved then?
Right now you can already play on Fire TV cube Stick by sideloading the Xbox Cloud Gaming APK but then you encounter issues with the Xbox Controller....
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u/Tobimacoss 2d ago
Very likely the reason to do an official app so they can make it smooth ride in terms of connectivity.
Btw, Amazon is switching away from Android based FireOS to Linux based one.
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u/newpcbuilder69 2d ago
Do we know if this will work with Amazon TV Qled or do we need the Amazon stick Tv?
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u/scorpioviper 2d ago
Are your saves uploaded to the cloud? If I wanna play something on a fire TV will my saves be available?
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u/Artistic-Owl548 2d ago
Hi everyone. I read this will be availabe in 25 countries, does anyone have the list of those countries please? Cant find it anywhere.
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u/TheVossDoss 3d ago
Has anyone ever been able to stream games well? I’ve never been able to. Seems like you need gig+ internet speeds. Not sure how well this will take off for the masses who don’t have exceptional internet.
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u/ShortNefariousness2 3d ago
200-500 Mbit/s broadband is very common (UK), and streaming works great with that. Great if you can't afford a current gen console.
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u/CaptainBrooksie 3d ago
I used Google Stadia successfully and use XCloud without issues.
I have Fibre and live not far from a data centre though
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u/texxmix 3d ago
Ya the proximity to a data centre and how busy the servers running these games over the cloud probably play a bigger role in quality.
I only have 150mbps and stadia always ran great for me and xcloud usually ran pretty good. Once I’m done with my current games I wanna play on PS5 I’m thinking I might give xcloud another try. Great way to play Xbox games when it runs well instead of buying a Series S.
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u/fragryt7 3d ago
I have only 25 Mbps internet, but I have never encountered any major issues with streaming. I use Steam Deck (xbplay app) and Series S. The lag is only noticeable with high-speed Tetris or competitive FPS.
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u/116morningside 3d ago
25mbps? You’re living in the dark ages
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u/fragryt7 3d ago
My bad lol. I just checked and It's actually *up to 200 Mbps for 29 USD a month. But I used to game stream with 25 Mbps max.
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u/Baldeagle84 3d ago
You think 25mb is bad? Where I live remote farms use a mirror on a hill to reflect a satellite signal to a few properties to supply internet. Not sure on the speed they get. Sometimes the mirror gets blown over lol. to be fair I doubt many of them are gamers
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u/Ok-Confusion-202 3d ago
I think it worked pretty well at 200 Mbps, but I will say, it's about server placement too.
And I will say this, Xbox when It comes to cloud gaming are probably 3rd to their competitors, I would place Geforce Now at the top spot by a mile, Geforce has less latency (there still is some, but it's better than XCloud) the quality is better overall, on XCloud it can be very pixelated and low resolution, from my experience Geforce Now doesn't do that at all, keeps a consistent quality while also being at a higher resolution than XCloud, also you are playing PC games so they will look better (if you have a better rig obviously)
XClouds latency is the issue, it's not terrible, but it's not great, very noticeable and annoying, especially for games like FIFA and CoD, which you would want to get to run perfectly as these are the best sellers and people play the most.
Very ranty lmao, but you get what I mean, I don't think cloud will ever be more than "it's cool, let me play on my console though"
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u/josriley 3d ago
I bought whatever the highest end firestick was a few years ago, and that thing can’t even run HBO Now menus consistently.
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u/baladreams 3d ago
I fail to see the point of not just letting wlthr browser support it or bringing it to just two specific models, if it can run on an old android phone
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u/Digital_Pharmacist 3d ago
Sooooooo…..is Amazon gonna kill Luna ? I’d say this is putting Luna in the same plot as Stadia.
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u/tootIst 3d ago
Great news for ubisoft who owns the cloud rights to MS games.
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u/sonicfonico 3d ago
No, they only owns the one of Activision games, wich for that reason arent on Xcloud (for now). The others are all Xbox.
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u/PhoenixHabanero 3d ago
Whatever gets them to make another Halo campaign. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Steve Downes isn't getting any younger. 🙁
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u/mr-blue- 3d ago
cloud gaming on the console is super contingent on internet stability. I have gigabyte speed and I still can’t play PvP games
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u/Flat-Inspector2634 3d ago
PVP games might not be optimal but PVE games can be quite enjoyable. I played a good portion of Cyberpunk on stadia and it felt fine
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u/Whythen 3d ago
So this is strictly for Samsung TVs and doesn't matter if one would have a Pioneer Fire TV, correct? I've got one half of the equation, lol
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u/MasterLogic Reclamation Day 3d ago
It's hard to imagine xbox having a next gen console when they've been planning this for years.
I'm glad it wasn't a Samsung exclusive. Wonder if it'll come to older tvs instead of latest models.
Xbox is definitely going the way of stadia. Google are going to kick themselves when they realise what they could have had.
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u/greenphantom1982 3d ago
They’re not going the way of Stadia, they’re giving options. If u wanna stream stream, if u wanna get a Xbox get a Xbox, if u want GamePass that’s an excellent option and if u want PC gamepass or just wanna play Xbox games on PC do that. If u wanna buy your games you can do that too. You’re living in the 90’s worried about console sales.
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u/Quinn07plu 3d ago
They literally said they are still making abd investment in hardware your just either blind or not understanding how business works.
More avenues for money is good.
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u/Ok_Stage_6753 XBOX 360 3d ago
Xbox continuing to emphasize that you don't need a console to play their games before scratching their heads over why their hardware sales are so low will never make sense to me.
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u/NightFlight-77 Xbox Series X 3d ago
What's wrong with options ?
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u/Ok_Stage_6753 XBOX 360 3d ago
Because it discourages people from buying into the ecosystem properly, which means less revenue which means more games going to other platforms, which leads to even less hardware sales and 3rd party support.
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u/ElGarnelo 3d ago
If you travel a lot and stay in hotels , that’s a nice touch. You don’t need to bring the whole console. You just need a stick and controller.
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u/Ok_Stage_6753 XBOX 360 3d ago edited 3d ago
Isn't that what the Series S is for though? You can easily fit it into a backpack.
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u/PoPo573 3d ago
Their ecosystem is primarily subscriptions and software. They're running a different plan than the others and for them it's working. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing and I think it's good for the gaming environment to be looking at things differently.
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u/velocipus 3d ago
It’s not working. The dedicated hardware is where they will see the highest adoption rates of their software and services and higher profit margins. What they are doing will continue to kill the hardware which will in turn kill the brand and its services.
All this nonsense of going multiplatform and too loose with access to their services is a deathwish.
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u/RazarusMaximus 3d ago
You speak with such conviction that I would appreciate the statistics to backup your statements.
The only statistics I can find are the ones that show xbox gamepass subscriber numbers increasing year on year.
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u/PoPo573 3d ago
Dedicated hardware is generally sold at a loss. With the ability to sell games and subscriptions to basically anyone who owns any console, a PC, or just a TV they're broadening who can play the games and give them money through subscriptions and software sales.
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u/velocipus 3d ago
Which will in turn kill the console, which about kills the brand as they can’t just rely on PC and cloud sticks. Primarily going multiplatform on their competitor’s consoles kills it.
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u/NotAnotherAmerican 3d ago
I feel like Microsoft is moving away from consoles and focusing more on the streaming and game dev side of things.
"Every screen is an Xbox," is a quote that comes to mind.
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u/velocipus 3d ago
Yes and that is a problems die obvious reasons. Unless they plan to leave the console business for good, which would be bad for gaming as a whole, then it’s a bad plan for the brand.
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u/NotAnotherAmerican 3d ago
Why is it bad for gaming as a whole? I think streaming games straight to your TV is brilliant. It's not like Nintendo or Sony are going to stop making consoles. Microsoft doesn't win console wars. It's sad but it's true. They sell at a loss like everyone else, but they also don't profit from their hardware as much as others. It makes sense to bow out of the console side of things and focus on what makes them money instead.
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u/MrEfficacious 3d ago
Microsoft has set themselves up to succeed in multiple scenarios. Hardware sales numbers will mean less and less going forward.
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u/pat_the_giraffe 3d ago
So that’s why PlayStation plus is doing soo much better than gamepass? lol. Cause they have way higher console sales you know
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u/velocipus 3d ago
PS doesn’t put their first party games on the service until long after their sales have dried up and they also don’t do many third-party day and date games at all. So rarely do any new games hit the service.
It’s simply not comparable.
You people are completely delusional and in hard cope mode.
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u/sonicfonico 3d ago
It isn't? Lol.
It has more subscribers (not even much more) but most of them are the base Plus required to play online and that's it. So Is normal that they are more, there are more Playstation around full of players that want to play online, but they are not spending 17 dollars/month.
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u/Barantis-Firamuur 3d ago
What makes you think that your definition of hardware-only is the correct one in terms of "buying into the ecosystem properly". Also, all of your points here are just baseless conjecture.
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u/More-Cup-1176 3d ago
hardware loses money for them, if they have people giving them money without spending that money on hardware; that’s net profit
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u/Zerox392 3d ago
They aren't going to abandon consoles but at the same time provide more options. Wow, it just makes 0 sense.
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u/sonicfonico 3d ago
I guess Microsoft is abandoning Surface because Windows is everywhere?
And Google is abandoning his phones because Android is everywhere?
And Apple will stop making Apple TVs because the app is on my Xbox?
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u/LivingwithED 3d ago edited 3d ago
Fire TVs are ass.
Apple TV or bust.
lol, Amazon stans downvoting with their vastly inferior products. I love it.
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u/LinkRazr Founder 3d ago
Apple wouldn’t want that to compete with Arcade+
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u/LivingwithED 3d ago
Arcade+ has nothing to do with Game Pass.
They also announced 5 months ago official support for game streaming apps.
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u/LinkRazr Founder 3d ago
It does when they figure people would rather play Xbox games than have an Apple Arcade subscription. Thats why Apple would charging 30% of the subscription price for gaming apps on its store. And Microsoft doesn’t want to play that’s sort of game with them.
They could also just as easily put Safari on the AppleTV and WebApps would also work. But they don’t want to do that for similar reasons.
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u/LivingwithED 3d ago
Really doesn’t, but I’m not going back and forth over this ridiculous thought of Arcade competing with Game Pass.
I already stated Apple is open to supporting it. It’s on Microsoft to do the rest. Bye.
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u/CyberKiller40 Xbox Series X 3d ago
Chromecast when????!!!!