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Keir Starmer says he doesn’t want schools teaching young people about transgender identities ...

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/06/25/keir-starmer-trans-education-general-election-2024/
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u/lem0nhe4d 5d ago

Yeah it's so cool to get bullied and marganlised in school.

I'm sure section 28 will work this time.

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u/potpan0 Black Country 5d ago

I'm sure section 28 will work this time.

Well this time it's different because... ummm... ahhh... it makes me feel uncomfortable to admit the similarities between my bigotry and historical bigotry!

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u/abitofasitdown 5d ago

I am really sorry if being bullied and marginalised in school happened to you, but that's frequently not the way it works now. Being trans is seen as cool - certainly much cooler than say, being a lesbian - in a lot of teenage circles. Having a trans or NB identity gives you kudos points amongst your peers, in many places, and access to support from school, etc.

(That's not necessarily carried through when you reach adulthood, but still.)

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u/lem0nhe4d 5d ago

That is complete nonsense.

Every study that has recorded rates of bullying for lgbt kids found people found consistently higher rates for trans people than cisgender gay people.

Like where did you get the data to suggest trans kids are treated better than gay kids in school?

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u/abitofasitdown 4d ago

Do you know any kids? And when were these studies you mention made? And by whom? To deny that there is, in some circles, social capital in being trans, reveals you are rather out of touch.

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u/TheFergPunk Scotland 5d ago

Being trans is seen as cool - certainly much cooler than say, being a lesbian - in a lot of teenage circles.

There we have it. The dumbest thing I'm going to read today.

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u/abitofasitdown 4d ago

I'm sorry, you are just out of touch.

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u/The_Flurr 5d ago

You don't know any trans people do you?

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u/abitofasitdown 4d ago

You don't know any kids, do you? I know quite a lot of trrans and NB young people, as well as old-school adult trans people. (I'm gender nonconfomring and have spent much of my life amongst other gender nonconforming people, and in social justice-y circles, so that's not surprising.)

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u/The_Flurr 4d ago

I was one not many years ago, and I remember how these kids were treated in my school.

Sure there were the bubbles of progressive kids, but most of the rest were happy to throw around slurs and fucked up jokes.

Oh and shit like this

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-teen-minnesota-b2558292.html

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u/abitofasitdown 4d ago

What relevance does an (awful) American story have here? I'm talking about the UK.

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u/The_Flurr 4d ago

You think that couldn't happen here?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68534654

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u/abitofasitdown 4d ago

This just exemplifies that you don't understand what teenagers experience nowadays. I'm not saying (and have never said) that transphobia never exists in schools. I am saying - and I don't understand why you'd want to deny this - that in many teenage circles being trans has a positive social status. That attack you linked to was just awful, just as the many, many other attacks on teenagers are awful. There is a serious problem of intra-teenager violence in many places. The two things can simultaneously be true.

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u/drkalmenius 5d ago

Did you learn about modern teenage social dynamics through "Sex Education" on Netflix? Because that's not real ...