r/politics • u/bustersnuggs5011 Pueblo • 4d ago

Biden’s Family Tells Him to Keep Fighting as They Huddle at Camp David Soft Paywall

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html
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u/Deaner3D 4d ago

This reality always makes me admit I truly don't understand independents. Or, rather, I don't understand the mindset voting R then D then R again. I'm like "pick your fucking issues then pick that candidate, geeze!"

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u/rivsnation 4d ago

Locally I get not being tied to a party, but after Trump I don’t understand an independent who hasn’t made up their mind already. Unless they’re using the title to stop people from ostracizing them about their politics.

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u/Popular_Table8654 2d ago

I’ll put the corruption, ethical, hypocritical issues that exist in both parties aside. On the issues, for me it’s because both parties stances/talking points on issues is extremely narrow and usually intellectually dishonest if not outright dishonest.
For example, on immigration: there are like 8 different kinds of immigration(lottery, political asylum, work, illegals at the border, etc). Yet, the debate from both parties basically centers on the southern border is definitely not nuanced. Per the DNC, if you object to an open border you are a privileged racist asshole. Per Trump, not even German Au pairs are gonna be allowed in.

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u/Deaner3D 2d ago

Some issues are invented by one side as a wedge. I think the border security qualifies as that. Granted, it's a concern, but the hyperventilating about it on the right is what's driven the narrative. You can tell it's a wedge issue because when they had an offer from Dems to work on it they collapsed bipartisan legislation because it was seen as helping them more politically if left unfixed.

Examining other classical issues though there are stark differences.

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u/Popular_Table8654 2d ago

Biden completely ignored the border for three years. And it’s not like the Republicans were quiet about the issue. They made an issue about pretty much on day 1. I don’t like the Republicans failing to do their job this year but it kinda offends me when the DNC tries to take the high ground now, and say “see, we tried”. They didn’t do shit until they realized normal people might actually hold it against Biden in the election.