r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 • 4d ago

'Chill The F**k Out': John Fetterman Urges Democrats To Stick With Joe Biden | The Pennsylvania senator reminded panicked Democrats on Friday that he too had a bad debate once, yet he went on to win his Senate seat.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debate-john-fetterman_n_667ea850e4b0415858d6a2f1
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u/Gamestar32 4d ago

Sadly most people don’t see it this way. The logic and reason folks are voting for Biden and the emotional hateful ones are voting for Trump. That’s not changing.

Those people, however, don’t decide elections. Undecideds do. Undecideds will see a performance like last night and either vote Trump or more likely not vote at all since they’ve been given 2 garbage candidates. A quick look at 2016 will remind you how that ends.

Biden needs to bow out and a younger, more charismatic candidate needs to step in. Yes it’s a massive gamble, but no more of a gamble than running Biden as is. He lost a lot of support with undecideds last night and, as I said before, they decide elections.

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u/Pelican_meat 4d ago

Who was undecided before last night? How many were there? 15? 20 undecided voters changed their mind (maybe)?

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u/Gamestar32 4d ago

In 2022, a Gallup poll found that 43% of Americans identify as independents. If even a fraction of those Americans live in swing states and are on the fence for Biden, they could decide the election.

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u/Maximum_Pollution371 3d ago

I don't care about party affiliations, but if 43% of Americans genuinely cannot make up their minds between "Expired sour milk" and "Actual fucking rat poison that will kill you painfully" then we don't even deserve to be a country anymore, jesus christ.

It's an annoying and crappy decision for sure, but not a complicated one.

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u/Pelican_meat 4d ago

Yeah, because polling has been so accurate in the last 7 elections. Even Nate Silver can’t wrap his head around it.

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u/Gamestar32 4d ago

So you believe every American has solidly made up their mind by now? That must mean you also think that any form of campaigning is a complete waste of time and energy right? Since everyone already knows exactly who they’re voting for?

Get a grip.