r/politics • u/croato87 • 4d ago

America Lost the First Biden-Trump Debate Soft Paywall

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/america-lost-first-biden-trump-debate-1235048539/
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u/GeoLaser 4d ago

He would not win any other election in history looking like this, why the hell is he trying to do this one?

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u/dickpierce69 Illinois 4d ago

He is stubborn. Ego. Pride. That much faith in himself. Who knows? I can’t, in good faith, stand by and play the game anymore.

The system is broken when two candidates like these can win their party’s nomination under the guise of “stopping the other guy”. We shouldn’t have to settle for a garbage can because the other side put out a dumpster.

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u/GeoLaser 4d ago

The DNC deserves this loss. How the hell did they not reassess after 2016?!

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u/dickpierce69 Illinois 4d ago

They made the right choice in 2020. It really did seem as if Biden was the only candidate that would defeat Trump. And they accomplished that. The issue was, Biden was supposed to be transitionary. Eliminate the big threat then step aside for the new generation. He’s not doing that and nobody is really challenging him or so it seems. The DNC isn’t broken. It’s just being spineless right now. Instead of pushing forward the correct candidate, they’re just falling back on fear mongering.

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u/GeoLaser 4d ago

The DNC chose who to run in 2020. Biden was a back burner candidate roiled in bad news until South Carolina.

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u/dickpierce69 Illinois 4d ago

Their agenda was also very small in 2020. Defeat Trump. And all metrics showed Biden was the guy who could do that. Anti Trumpers were going to vote for whoever the nominee was. Biden could pull fence sitters and moderates that Bernie couldn’t. There were better candidates, but not any that would beat Trump head to head.

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u/pablonieve 4d ago

They did. The party had 20+ candidates run in 2020 of different ages and ideological leans. And the voters coalesced between the two oldest options (Bernie and Biden).

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u/GeoLaser 4d ago

No. Black voters in South Carolina chose him and he rode that wave of momentum. Before that he was all over the news for smelling girls and touching hair. That win killed the bad news and gave him momentum. He barely won super Tuesday. He was barely a front runner before that and didn't win any states. The DNC killed Bernie and Buttigieg's chances.

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u/pablonieve 3d ago

Considering the importance of black voters within the Democratic Party, that is a pretty important thing to achieve for someone who wants to be the nominee. This is also how Obama ended up besting Hillary in 2008. You're saying that the DNC killed Bernie and Buttigieg's chances, but it was actually their inability to win states with large black populations.

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u/bonafidebob California 4d ago

“In history”? I think he’d probably have done OK in a pre-television election. Presidenting used to be a lot less about visual charisma and sound bites.

If you consider the platforms and the impact adopting them will have on the future of the country the choice is in-your-face obvious. It’s sad that we seem care more about how someone looks and sounds on TV.

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u/Wrong-Associate2625 4d ago

That’s not entirely true. Some of the most successful politicians in history (many of them bad guys, don’t think I need to name one example) won with razor sharp, yet powerful speeches and charisma.

The problem is, Presidenting or being a head of state requires someone capable of strong diplomacy. It is not reassuring to the population that the representative for the countries interests is likely going to be outwitted by 90% of world leaders when discussions happen behind closed doors.

Trump is the worse choice yes, but Biden needs to move on. Why should you settle for the better of two presidential candidates who just aren’t up to it?

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u/FarplaneDragon 4d ago

Because the dems couldn't be bothered to find anyone better and this later into this it's too later to even try. They decided long ago it was going to be Biden vs Trump and just shrugged their shoulders