r/Wellthatsucks 5d ago

Plumbers broke through this foundation to add pipes, compromising the structural support of the home.

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u/TertiaryOrbit 5d ago

Roughly, how much would it cost to fix something like this?

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u/buddhistredneck 5d ago

$10,000+ for the engineer and the foundation re-work.

$2000+ for the plumbing rework

Complete ballpark estimate

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u/DrDerpberg 5d ago

Am I missing something here? It wouldn't cost $10k to throw some props in to keep things from collapsing while you pour back in the missing concrete. It looks unreinforced but even if you did the whole shebang with dowels and bonding agent I have trouble imagining this costing half that much.

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u/RecsRelevantDocs 4d ago

For what it's worth google says foundation repair in general is typically around $2,250 and $8,600, so at least seems like the right ball park.

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u/DrDerpberg 4d ago

All depends what you're doing, sealing a few cracks can cost a few hundred but the upper limit is hundreds of thousands to temporarily support the whole house and replacing the walls entirely.

The cost of materials on this job would be like a few hundred bucks, labor would at least double it but hard to estimate the "pain in the ass" multiplier for ticky tacky work in a yard to access spot.

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u/Good-Mouse1524 4d ago

I believe you are missing the insurance a license and bonded 'foundation repair' person needs to pay out to. Taking responsibility for a 400k home is not cheap.

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u/DrDerpberg 4d ago edited 4d ago

They're not taking responsibility for the whole home, just the very narrow thing you hired them for. If they fill a hole for you and the next day and entirely different corner of the house collapses they're not responsible.

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u/Good-Mouse1524 4d ago

Sorry you dont understand the foundation is an important part of the home and is central to literally every other part of the home.

And in case you are confused still. The foundation is a central part of the home.

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u/DrDerpberg 4d ago edited 4d ago

I'm a structural engineer and literally do this for a living.

I absolutely do not take responsibility for every square inch of a building every time I do a project in an existing building. No engineer does. Exactly what we did and didn't do will be front and center in the contract you sign and the report or drawings we deliver. The entire construction industry would grind to a halt if every time I walked into a building with a hard hat I had to inspect and test everything and sign off on it all being perfect or find every flaw. If I see anything clearly problematic I'll write you a nice cleae letter urging you to have it looked at by any engineer (not necessarily me, because I don't want you to think I'm drumming up business for myself and ignore a safety issue) and what you should do about it until then, in a form that will help that engineer get right to working on it, but that letter will also be clear that I was hired for a different task entirely and I'm only writing this out of concern after being onsite for that other reason.

But please, tell me more about the importance of foundations or how projects in part of a building work.

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u/brown_smear 5d ago

Or just repour the affected sections for under $2k

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u/creambike 5d ago

Why would you do a half ass shit job with something like a foundation? Ffs

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u/brown_smear 5d ago

It's just the stem wall above the foundation footing. Some people have houses sitting on a couple of besa bricks for 20 years. A new pour of wall is going to be more than adequate, and it's only a small section anyway; make it thicker if concerned.

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u/Glassinhand 5d ago

support floor joist, demo affected wall, add bar dowels, form and then pour. This is an easy job not a 10k one..

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u/Mosshome 5d ago

For 3k more I can post-inspection check it, and for 1k more I can do the final priming, and 500$ more gets you a SwLur certificate of the work done. Don't half ass it.

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u/Manisil 4d ago

I mean they already paid for a half assed plumbing job.

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u/KiwiComfortable5210 4d ago

Somewhere between $10k and 2 bags of concrete.

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u/bubsdrop 5d ago

The other guy's quote for $10k is insane. There was already a gap in the foundation for access to the crawlspace, a bit of damage on either side of it will not cost that much to repair and is not an urgent structural issue.

Have a plumber fix those pipes then get under there, support the joist with a jack, cut out the damaged pieces, reinforce and build a form, pour, let set, remove jack. Maybe $5k total if you have all the work done professionally. Plumber would probably charge you more than the concrete guy.

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u/BallsDeepinYourMammi 5d ago

I’d imagine the concrete dudes are throwing out “fuck that” estimates

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u/atln00b12 4d ago

Even just stacking concrete blocks is fine. A foundation repair specialist might build an under framing with girders and 4 to 6 concrete block piers. No one should really need to tear anything out though. They might pour some new footers depending on the load specifications but most likely they just use cap block or precast composite footers.

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u/r0thar 4d ago

The other guy's quote for $10k is insane.

$2k for the foundation repair, $8k for someone else to crawl through the spider and rat infested crawl space - seems good value to me.

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u/atln00b12 4d ago

Anywhere from $14 to $150. Depending on how you want to do it. There is visible footing right there in the square hole. Just stack some concrete blocks and a wood shim and you're done.

If you want to be more fancy and less work that stacking concrete blocks then a telescoping leveling jack could be used.

It's hard to tell without seeing the rest of the joists / girders but most likely that open span is fine and there's no issue at all. If you want to be extra certain just stack some blocks in the middle of that open area.

A contractor would charge you $2000 a foundation repair specialist would probably charge $4000.

Regardless of who does it the fix is going to be some variation of concrete blocks, wood, and or leveling jacks.

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u/SquarePegRoundWorld 4d ago

However much a few feet of PT 6x6 would cost. You could put one just inside the square opening next to that chunk of concrete holding on for life. There is a footer there so you would be good. Then once that 6x6 is in, you could take out that chunk, cut the concrete straight, and even throw another 6x6 in its place. I'd gladly take half the $22,000 the other guy quoted. LOL

source- been framing houses for 26 years and this isn't the end of the world. I mean the plumber should be taken out back and pistol-whipped but the fix is relatively easy.

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u/Cultural-Ad-6825 4d ago

$150 for a 15 ton steel support post