r/TheHandmaidsTale • u/Apprehensive-5379 • Apr 01 '24
Has this show made anyone else consider their escape plan if America goes Gilead? Question
I always think about the women in Iran before the revolution in the 1970s.
Where would you go?
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u/MehX73 Apr 01 '24
No where. I'm divorced with 3 kids. 2 are under 18 and their dad won't sign for a passport. He's conservative and would be thrilled if things went the way of the Handmaids Tale. I'd send my oldest away to Europe for sure.Ā
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u/thetruthfulgroomer Apr 02 '24
Omg Iām so sorry. I have an ex just like this.
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u/Delicious_Standard_8 Apr 02 '24
Same. My ex would be over the moon if this was America's reality. He would love nothing more than to subjugate as many women as possible smh
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
Iām so sorry. I hope your kids can make their escape before things become unbearable.
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u/littlebeach5555 Apr 02 '24
My ex did the same. Never showed up for a passport signing. Have you tried going to a judge? Men shouldnāt have rights like that when theyāre not in the kids daily lives
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u/MehX73 Apr 02 '24
No. Its near impossible to get in front of a judge here, even when abuse is involved. He doesn't even get its the kids who are hurt by this. Only 1 of our 3 even talk to him still. They know he's trash.Ā
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u/Embarrassed-Way-4931 Apr 02 '24
Stay here and resist.
Donāt let the bastards grind you down.
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u/kritycat Apr 02 '24
I have tshirt with "nolite te bastardes carborundarum" on it! My favorite thing about it is that like-minded folks who know the book/show recognize it and it's a little moment of solidarity
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u/Sophiatab Apr 01 '24
I've got plenty of relatives in Mexico and speak Spanish, so I will be heading south.
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u/Apprehensive-5379 Apr 02 '24
Itās made me think a lot about the power of knowing a second language!
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u/TenuouslyTenacious Apr 02 '24
When my work offered free language learning subscriptions, this was a big part of why i chose Spanish. There are just so, so many countries south of us, an entire continent full.
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u/pishipishi12 Apr 01 '24
I don't have blood relatives, but my brother in law is from Mexico and his family is the best (and lives there). I would def head that way!
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u/PurlpeTaco420 Apr 01 '24
I would disappear into the underground, whatever that looked like. As much as I fancy myself a coward...sigh...I will not be driven from my home, I will go "feral" and strick against my oppressors, in every effort to keep the next forced generation from suffering the way we know they want us to.
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u/Forever_Marie Apr 01 '24
Honestly, even with a passport, where would people go ? A country would need to want Americans and that is a not a guarantee. Unless they have dual citizenship or family in another country ? They would most likely ban travel outside when it gets to that point.
I feel like the anti abortion laws that are trying to prohibit travel are just prototypes for stricter travel bans.
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u/Apprehensive-5379 Apr 02 '24
Great point. So many lawmakers in these states are trying to prohibit crossing state lines for travel and with the current state of things it feels plausible that they will be able to succeed.
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u/imalittlefrenchpress Apr 02 '24
Iām so glad my father was a Canadian citizen. My queer, atheist ass would be on the wall.
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
But do you have dual citizenship? Your father being a Canadian citizen doesnāt necessarily help you.
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u/imalittlefrenchpress Apr 02 '24
No it doesnāt, and thatās a good point. I need to start that process.
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u/SpiderFloof Apr 02 '24
Don't wait - processing is slow and may slow down further over the summer*. Certificate of Citizenship is $75CAD. After that get yourself a Canadian passport.
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u/StefBerlin Apr 02 '24
You'd be considered refugees seeking political asylum. If the war in Ukraine has taught me anything, it's that asylum seekers from the US would be treated differently than the ones from Africa and the Middle East. At least the white ones. Still, being a refugee isn't fun.
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
You may be onto something with the travel bans. Thatās frightening.
And youāre absolutely right in asking where would people go. So many people talk about fleeing the country, but even if Canada and other countries didnāt close their borders, only people with a substantial amount of cash (at least enough to buy a house) are going to be let in. Without a dual citizenship and without a huge amount of money, most people couldnāt do it. Heck, the majority of people canāt even afford to move from a red state to a blue state. Imagine also having to be wealthy enough to buy a new property or lucky enough to have employment waiting for you. Other countries just wonāt be letting in unemployed people who are lower middle class or poor.
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u/Gardez_geekin Apr 02 '24
Other countries let in refugees all the time. Itās literally a massive political issue the world over. If there was a mass exodus of people from the country they would be treated like refugees. They would go to camps and then be resettled.
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
We can hope, but just as they have shown in the show, even a nice country like Canada is probably going to have right wing asses yelling to close the borders.
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u/Initial_Salt5123 Apr 02 '24
You'd be out of luck for sure if you're trying to cross in Alberta/Saskatchewan
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u/EuphoricMoose Apr 02 '24
lol I technically have dual citizenship with Iran because my parents are from there (though Iāll never actually go through the process of obtaining it) Lucky me :D
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u/wheeler1432 Apr 02 '24
You don't have to go someplace permanently. Some countries let you stay for a year, some six months. Move around between them.
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u/JohnnySkynets Apr 02 '24
Iāve had a rendezvous set with a friend for 7 years to meetup and start the resistance if America goes Gilead. I wouldnāt blame anyone for leaving for safety but if youāre able, stay and fight.
Better yet, do absolutely everything you can NOW to stop Gilead from happening. Run for office, become a poll worker, canvas, phone bank, text, mail postcards, talk to your family and friends. Make them aware of the stakes, parties, candidates and their policies. There are two parties with the majority of the power in the country right now. The presidency and most down ballot races will be won by members of these two parties. Voting Democrat is a vote for racial equity, LGBT+ and reproductive rights. Voting Republican, third party or not voting is a vote for Gilead. Thatās how it is.
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u/giraflor Apr 02 '24
And watch/listen very carefully who else is in the resistance with you. The enemy of your enemy isnāt necessarily your friend. OP references women in Iran. I think most people donāt know that women helped lead opposition to the shah and many accepted fundamentalists as partners in toppling him because they didnāt think Khomeini could seize power.
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u/Apprehensive-5379 Apr 03 '24
āAnd women love hunting witches too, doing their dirtiest work for youā - Taylor Swift (made me think of how women side so strongly with oppressors)
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u/AlmightyJedi Apr 02 '24
This is the best thing we can do. Fight before it becomes real.
Get out and vote especially in November.
I donāt like Biden. I voted for Bernie twice and it still angers me people preferred Hillary and Joe over him, but I rather take old frustrating neoliberal Joe over Trump.
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Apr 04 '24
Also if possible don't forget to arm yourself, learn how to fight and organize, and draw up a list of potential insurgents.
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u/mermaidwithcats Apr 01 '24
I can qualify for dual citizenship because my mother was from Mexico.
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u/toxicbrew Apr 02 '24
I would highly recommend getting that passport as soon as possible might as well
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u/alwayspookyszn Apr 01 '24
Yes and Iāve already left.
America for me has been going downhill for many years and I made it a priority to leave. Nothing is permanent but watching the politics now from afar is like watching a TV show I used to be on and now no longer have to worry about.
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Apr 02 '24
Where did you go? What other places did you consider?
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u/piratequeenfaile Apr 02 '24
Not who you're replying to but I live in Canada and have met a handful of Americans who moved here because of the political climate of the states specifically. Two of them were in response to Bush Jr getting elected.
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u/giraflor Apr 02 '24
How did they manage it?
I and a group of friends seriously looked into it in 2016 and again in 2020. We used the immigration calculator thingy online and basically our only permanent option was to be independently wealthy and invest in Canada.
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u/piratequeenfaile Apr 02 '24
No idea, I have lots of friends who have gotten citizenship over time who aren't independently wealthy. Generally they've all moved here and gotten PR then eventually citizenship.Ā
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u/smallsloth1320 Apr 01 '24
yes. my husband and I talk about it pretty often. I have family in sweden, and itās a beautiful country. weād go there for sure.
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u/kritycat Apr 02 '24
I have family in Sweden, too, and that's on my list.
I'm already making plans to move to Ireland, but if things go fucking nuts before I'm able to do it, I'm a half-day drive from Mexico & my Spanish is passable.
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u/dee_lio Apr 02 '24
I wonder about this.
If the US slips into a totalitarian regime, would the USD crash, too?
How could you afford to leave if your savings were now worthless?
Would that in turn crash the world economy using the USD as a reserve currency?
That would make it hard for you to buy your way into a new country, and if other country's economies are crashing, it might make you less than welcome, doubly so if you're broke.
And for those who could afford to flee, what happens with the government expropriates their bank accounts? Because I'm guessing there's no "early warning" for that.
And if your net worth is almost entirely your house, wouldn't property values plummet? Assuming your house isn't expropriated, too...
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
Iād have to agree with everything you say. If one thinks they might need to get out, I would seriously suggest thinking about doing it sooner than later. Once things turn, it will be impossible.
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u/Witchsinghamsterfox Apr 02 '24
Yes. This happens whenever there is a coup , regime change, etc. Itās important for everyone to know something about growing food because money will be worthless. People panic and run the banks and thatās that.
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u/dee_lio Apr 02 '24
Bigger implication here, though, since the US dollar is the world reserve currency and so many other large economy countries have quite a bit invested in the US (and in US dollars)
A collapse of the US would take out a rather sizable chunk of most other country's economies, and start a domino effect on most other countries. It would be very messy for at least 10 years, assuming china could fill the void that fast
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u/NostradaMart Apr 01 '24
As a Canadian I'm thinking about how I could help as many people as possible either escape, or at least comfortable once here.
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u/Fairynightlvr Apr 01 '24
Well Iām just across the Detroit River and if Trump wins again my daughter and I are swimming across to Canada
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u/the_honest_liar Apr 01 '24
You could probably drive.
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u/Fairynightlvr Apr 02 '24
Itās not as dramatic that way š¤£
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u/the_honest_liar Apr 02 '24
But the river will be cold in November lol. I'd say wait until winter and walk across the ice, but these days I can't see it freezing.
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u/NostradaMart Apr 01 '24
if you take the time to dm right before you go, i'll make sure to have someone there with supplies and a way further into Canada.
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u/Early-Juggernaut975 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
Might be easier to ask someone to just send u an Uber or something.
Swimming seems like it might be dangerous.
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u/EmeraldB85 Apr 02 '24
This was gonna be my answer, you beat me to it. But thatās also what I think about.
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u/RealLifeMerida Apr 02 '24
Iām a Canadian and live in the US. We moved to a border town in upstate NY during Covid and Iād be lying if I said being able to quickly leave this country wasnāt a motivating factor (not the only one, but it was def on the list!).
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u/Accomplished-Mud-812 Apr 01 '24
Yes I have. And I figured I'd die fighting before such a scenario š¤·. I am the child of immigrants and have heard real horror stories of dictatorships and cult of personalities. It's better to die fighting than to try to escape. My parents are Dominican for context so they moved here AFTER the Dominican Republic removed their dictatorship, but the old folks in my family are sure to tell you that those that left were not respected by those who stayed and fought or by those who gave them refuge.
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u/ProMedicineProAbort Apr 02 '24
I am getting old. All of mine are grown and in their own lives. There was a time, in the 80's and 90's when I could shoot 40 out of 40 moving targets up to 500m away with an M16A2 assault rifle.
I could do it again.
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u/_Fizzgiggy Apr 02 '24
I wouldnāt be able to leave my pets behind. Iām getting an iud again even though it was excruciating. My gyno told me there has been a surge in patients getting them because of the current political climate
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
Iām sorry you have to go through that. Iām past my childbearing years, but if I werenāt, I think I would have already been trying to leave. I certainly wouldnāt be staying in a red state if I had any chance of getting pregnant
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u/wheeler1432 Apr 02 '24
Have you looked into implants? That's what my daughter has. Lasts for five years.
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u/DearMrsLeading Apr 02 '24
Iām sure you know this but just in case you donāt, a lot of gynos will give actual pain management if you ask. Itās not mentioned often (partly) because itās usually out of pocket. My new gyno offers both pain meds and laughing gas.
Even if this isnāt new info, I wish you a painless insertion! Mine was definitely not lol.
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u/AshRae84 Apr 02 '24
Iām Native American, and honestly, my only hope is that my tribe will save me.
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u/WhereTFAreMyDragons Apr 02 '24
As a dual citizen, Toronto. As soon as we find out if mango moron has won I will make plans. I will be gone before he takes office.
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
I wish you the best. Most of us donāt have the option. If mango moron gets the White House again, Iāll probably just buy a gun or start hoarding sleeping pills. Iām old and poor and canāt afford to move, nor could I handle it physically.
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u/kritycat Apr 02 '24
Don't underestimate the willingness of your community to help. If I'm heading for the border, I'm taking along anyone who wants to go & can get in the car. I don't think I could live with myself knowing I hadn't helped as much as I could using my privilege to protect others.
I think we'll have a pretty well-developed underground railroad out pretty quickly. ā¤ļø
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u/anyansweriscorrect Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
Feels morbid to say, but do your research. The only thing I can think of that would be wise worse than being stuck here for the fascist Christian nationalist takeover, is to be stuck here after becoming profoundly disabled from an attempt.
Either you get tortured for being "defective," or used against your will as a political pawn a la Terry Schiavo.
Edit: I keep thinking about this comment. For real, the idea of sleeping pills for a peaceful unaliving is a holdover from a different time that is no longer accurate. Sleeping pills are very pharmacologically different nowadays, in part to prevent this usage.
For a multitude of reasons, I don't want to share more details than that. And I hope that the political situation that would make this feel necessary never arises. But if it does, make sure you know what to do. The reality is very different from the pop-culture understanding of it.
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u/specialkk77 Apr 02 '24
I live 3 hours from the Canadian border but Iām sure my ass will be flagged since Iāve got a few āchildbearingā years left and my womb functions, plus Iāll have 2 adorable children theyāll want to steal (currently pregnant with my second)Ā
Technically if my husband and I could fake the religion aspect well enough, weād be able to stay together since weāre not āsinfulā in the eyes of Gilead law, other than not being churchgoers. As long as they donāt find out Iām bisexual of course. Theyād be looking for an excuse with me.Ā
Ideally Iād hope weād see the writing on the wall (come on June, I would have tried to get out when Luke had to sign for her birth control) and jump ship as early as possible but we have no family ties to other countries to help get us out.Ā
If they did make me a Handmaid I would absolutely take part in the resistance. Iād play nice and keep myself alive for my childrenās sake, but just like June every minute Iād spend focused on trying to get them free.Ā
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
Iām glad Iām not the only one who thought June and Luke had their heads in the sand. They were both smart enough that they shouldnāt have missed the signs.
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u/specialkk77 Apr 02 '24
I fully understand that leaving is easier said than done, especially with a small child, but thatās definitely the moment I would have packed a bag and figured everything else out later.Ā
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u/Inconspicuous_cow09 Apr 08 '24
Idk as a Brit I would be running as soon as ro v wade was overturned. But you canāt speak to the situation unless youāre in it ig.
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u/wastelandtraveller Apr 02 '24
Iām sorry if this opinion scares any of you, but leave soon, before it is too late. The signs are there, and these things can slowly build up and then tip over in the blink of an eye.
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u/Severe_Sprinkles_930 Apr 02 '24
This makes my stomach churn, because we know it's true. Especially after watching January 6th unfold right before my eyes watching live on my computer at work.
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u/lld287 Apr 02 '24
Itās wild to me how many people act like January 6th wasnāt as bad as it was. I remember that day like I remember Columbine. I never watch TV in the afternoon and I still donāt know what made me flip it on about 10 minutes before shit started hitting the fan. I spent the rest of the afternoon watching, crying
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u/Witchsinghamsterfox Apr 02 '24
āAmerica wasnāt Gilead until it was, and then it was too late.ā The problem is hedging your bets against the worst possible scenario in which you have to let go of everything you know, and that is a really hard tjing to do.
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u/Secure-Force-9387 Apr 02 '24
Yes and we're enacting the first step this week. We're moving from Texas to Wisconsin, I'm updating my passport (just got remarried, so need to change my name), I'm interviewing with a company based in Canada, my BFF is in Canada, and we're living on a waterway that crosses the border so that we can escape under the cover of night if we need to.
We. Are. Not. Playing. Around.
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u/MehX73 Apr 02 '24
Since my kids and I have no passports and my kids cant get one, looks like I'm driving to your place and crossing the water into Canada with you!Ā
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u/Secure-Force-9387 Apr 02 '24
Hey...I'm willing to take in others. Do NOT want to leave anyone behind.
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u/consuela_bananahammo Apr 02 '24
We are moving out of TX in 2 months. Cannot wait to get the F out of here. Godspeed.
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u/Secure-Force-9387 Apr 02 '24
Where are you guys going?
Between me just being a woman and my husband being Hispanic, we're absolutely terrified to be living here, so we're thrilled we're out of here in less than 48 hours!
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u/Witchsinghamsterfox Apr 02 '24
We are looking at moving to NY near lake Ontario . We have a boat. We will bring people into thousand islands if they want to get out. Of course that border will be heavily fortified in short order, but essentially if you can get on the st Lawrence youāre in.
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u/ProMedicineProAbort Apr 01 '24
I am too old to conceive again and all of mine are grown in their own lives.
I stay and fight.
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u/TopDesert_ace Apr 02 '24
I'm a guy, so I'd probably do fine in Gilead, but there's nothing I hate more than some chudwaffle telling me how I can live my life. I fully intend to earn my place on the wall, especially if it means committing some war crimes against some Sons Of Jacob assholes.
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Apr 04 '24
The ones that might make that attempt will likely be Nazis so there's only a very small percentage of men who they won't want to immediately exterminate.
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u/Jessyjean3173 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
We"re already on the way there. Religious extremists have taken over the Supreme Court & are overturning constitutional law that's specifically meant to preserve women's autonomy. The pick-me female misogynists bashing women in hopes of a head pat & longer leash are already making themselves evident. We should be actively fighting against this and every move against women.
Logistically, you can always make it to Canada from the coast with a boat. A lot of liberals in WA & OR as well that'd help organize escape.
That being said, I would stay and fight. Set a perimeter of No Man's Land & recruit as I go.
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u/darkness_is_great Apr 02 '24
Realistically speaking, where could I go? Countries have to want to take in asylum seekers, and most countries have strict immigration laws. The US is LAX with immigration compared to the other countries. They only want you coming in if you can contribute something.
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u/Nezrite Apr 02 '24
Building a house on 54 acres of land and opening it to friends and allies.
It's a small house, so they'll have to bring tents or RVs (two full hookup sites!) but I think we'll put in a sauna/shower house to start.
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u/Y0mily Apr 02 '24
If anyone wanted to come to NZ Iād help, I have plenty of space to house and our country is relatively asylum friendly. Probably a bit far to be realistic though š . Watching America at a distance through our media is crazy!
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u/Flyingkiwi24 Apr 02 '24
Reading The Testaments and when it's like "Even New Zealand has stopped taking in refugees" I was like damn not good!
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u/Fearless-Complaint16 Apr 01 '24
As a financially struggling mom with no family or friends outside of the United States, my best bet would be driving to the Canadian border and crossing on foot. Luckily I'm less than two hours away. I should probably get my passport.
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u/Apprehensive-5379 Apr 02 '24
Yes get a passport for you and your children just in case (of anything really šš¼) I know it is certainly not cheap to do
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u/-Coleus- Apr 02 '24
Yes, please, donāt wait.
Having an up to date passport will give you more options. We donāt know what is coming. The more options the better.
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u/jazzy-sunflower Apr 02 '24
Yes. The current climate in the US terrifies me. Iām looking into getting my copper IUD replaced early, even though I have a few years left on it, Iāll only be 32 when it needs replaced which leaves too many child bearing years for comfort.
anyone know how to get it replaced without it being on my medical records? š«
I have a friend in Canada who has already offered a living spaceā¦
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u/TheycallitLeBigMac Apr 02 '24
Canadian here.
Update your passports.
If fucking Trump gets back in, get your ass up here before inauguration day. The sooner the better.
Our country isn't perfect and it will financially hurt us but I'm all in on helping our neighbours.
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u/imperfectchicken Apr 01 '24
Canadian here, but I'm semi-resigned to the fact that if it happened, I wouldn't notice or would react too late.
Just "up and go" at a moment's notice is hard with a family relying on you - where do you go, how do you find a sustaining job/employment, what happens to the money/assets you left behind, cancelled contracts, etc.
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u/False_Local4593 Apr 02 '24
Well I'm divorced and remarried and I'm fixed. I'd be a Martha if I wasn't sent to the colonies.
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u/boymom9295 Apr 01 '24
Yes, Iāve thought about. We live about an hour from the Canadian border and Iāve made my husband promise that if it goes to hell, weāll head north!
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u/OpheliaLives7 Apr 01 '24
Made me realize how screwed I would be. My only close family is my father who is a Trump lover who also thinks Reagan was amazing and a role model.
Heās pushed back or denied my experiences and thoughts about how christian prayer was pushed onto me in high school. He adopted the same practice of prayer circles for his travel team even and denies that peer pressure or social pressure would stop teen girls from speaking up or not participating.
Heās also made disappointing comments about birth control being for sluts (thankfully my Mom snapped back after hearing this comment) but with her gone I donāt really have any family close that I would trust if shit hit the fan.
My passport will need renewal in the next year but even if I did that I doubt I would have the funds to escape out of the country, and thatās even IF things got bad enough that women were accepted point blank anywhere.
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u/-Coleus- Apr 02 '24
Keep your passport up to date, sister!
Canada might be an option; but if you have no passport you wonāt be able to go anywhere!
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u/zenitram66 Apr 01 '24
My partner and I are starting to talk about SHTF scenarios in general, with civil dissolution and violence being one factor. And we are looking to renew our passports, if international travel is possible, or if asylum would be necessary and possible.
Weāre also looking to start up self defense training and working on our physical stamina and diet in case we literally have to bug out on foot somewhere other than our residence.
We also are updating food rations and go-bags, as well as other provisional needs.
Hulu has a miniseries right now called WE WERE THE LUCKY ONES and it is sort of rekindling our needs for escape plans. Itās set in Poland m before and during its fall to the Naās, as well as settings in Europe and Russia. Some of the scenes are so frustrating knowing about history and people hoping things will blow over but viewers know otherwise.
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u/giraflor Apr 02 '24
I read that book and it really does make you question what you would do if a loved one canāt or wonāt leave. Split the family up? Try to survive together?
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u/-Coleus- Apr 02 '24
Get your passports up to date! Please donāt wait.
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u/wheeler1432 Apr 02 '24
In particular, get your passport or get it renewed before the election. When Trump was in office before, it took *months* to get a new one and they're just now caught up.
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u/Constantlearner01 Apr 02 '24
Iām glad I saw this comment. I too was watching We Were The Lucky Ones, the whole time thinking this is where we are now. Like lobsters in a slowly burning pot. Too late to run once that knock is upon your door.
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u/MLMkfb Apr 02 '24
I am second generation American on my Dadās side. My grandfather immigrated from Denmark during WW2. We have family there, so I hope theyād take us!
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u/NastyCherryStan Apr 02 '24
i'd probs just be taken out from my own stress and panic of it happening
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u/conversedaisy Apr 02 '24
You know I also fear America coming Gilead. However, as I read the comments and see how some people have an escape plan or want to escape to other countries, I canāt help but notice that when we need refugee status itās justified but when brown and black bodies coming to America at the border seeking asylum as they flee their war torn countries and dictatorships we turn them away, use them for making a point and show them no mercy and compassion.
I know most of us are not like that and yet I canāt help but notice that we feel entitled to seek asylum and yet our government is not doing the same to help folx who are actually seeking asylum in real time. We put the brown kids in cages. So this makes me wonder if Americans will also be turned away from down south. We are no different if Gilead happens. This reality sickens me.
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u/Money_Month_7377 Apr 20 '24
I noticed no one replied to this, but I've thought the same...everyone saying Canada,Ā is that cause Mexico would be in a position to reject American asylum seekers? Do unto others as you would have done to you!
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u/Kittymarie_92 Apr 01 '24
Yes and I really have no idea. I feel like I need to get dual citizenship somehow
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u/mermaidwithcats Apr 01 '24
Do you have any parents or grandparents who were immigrants? You may be able to get dual citizenship from that country.
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u/Y0mily Apr 02 '24
Do you have any specialised skills which can expedite a visa application? I.e nursing
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u/mwjtitans Apr 01 '24
Yup I live in Michigan, I'm headed to Canada if shit hits the fan
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u/giraflor Apr 02 '24
Iāve considered Ghana because it offers residence and citizenship to African Americans. The dilemma is whether I should go now when it is easy to get there, but I have complex and life threatening medical needs that a challenge to meet even in Metro DC or wait and maybe risk waking up Under His Eye.
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u/ohyousoretro Apr 02 '24
My wife has a Canadian citizenship through birth, Iād be more focused on being able to get her out first. We live in Detroit, so itās not like Canada is far.
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u/mrjohnclare Apr 02 '24
When I'm watching I always get the urge to write my secret letter, like the ones from I believe season one, so that I'd be remembered/cataloged on where it would get smuggled to.
I never finish it but I usually start to cry while doing it.
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Apr 02 '24
Through to Canada via Sault St. Marie or Thunder Bay. If both are unavailable, try to pass via Lake Superior. If all ways become impassable, there is always the Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest. Over a million acres of untainted Wisconsin Northwoods to hide in. I wonder if native WI tribes would provide a form of asylum on their reservations, I wouldn't blame them if they bounced my white ass out of there.
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u/lovingthechaos Apr 02 '24
My company operates in Canada, I would try to relocate there, assuming I still have a job
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u/TheStranger113 Apr 02 '24
I hold citizenship in the Philippines, so that would be a quick decision for me.
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u/Fearless-Complaint16 Apr 02 '24
I'll get it, it's been on my mind a lot lately. The political climate is so scary right now, and it feels like we're not very far from becoming like Gilead.
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u/giraflor Apr 02 '24
No plan yet, but I think about the potential need for one. My priority is to get my young adult children, my sister, and my niblings out.
I have chronic illnesses and disabilities so I probably lack the physical stamina for an arduous crossing of either border or a long sea voyage.
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u/Crow-n-Servo Apr 02 '24
Another person with chronic illnesses and disabilities here. šāāļø
I donāt see a lot of hope for myself if it comes to that. Iām just thankful I never had kids to be worrying about now. I do worry about my nibling who is in a lesbian marriage.
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u/EuphoricMoose Apr 02 '24
My parents immigrated to the US from Iran for a better life in the 70s. Iām a woman. I grew up knowing that if they hadnāt come here, Iād be dead because I have a really big mouth and canāt help myself from lashing out at authority figures. So I also often think about the women of Iran.
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u/coccopuffs606 Apr 02 '24
Everyone saying they would stay, I hope youāre not underestimating the kind of cardio you need in order to be useful in a guerrilla warfare fight. If you canāt run two miles without stopping or getting seriously winded, you need to start working out. And it would also be helpful to be a decent shot since the resistance wonāt have the time or ammo to teach you how.
War isnāt for the faint of heart; being the underdog in a guerrilla fight is even less so.
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u/lld287 Apr 02 '24
Honestly, same energy for people thinking they will easily go elsewhere. Even if you can get out, there is no guarantee other places will accept you. A lot of Americans would learn the hard way what our own policies have influenced in this world
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u/coccopuffs606 Apr 02 '24
Yeah, most people are pretty fucked; the only people getting out are the absurdly wealthy, and those with dual citizenship or family overseas who can sponsor their visas
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u/Chimes320 Apr 02 '24
A huge impetus for why my husband and I got married 2 years ago. He is British and his children have British passports by extension. If we needed to enter the UK, it would be easier for me on a spousal status than as a āgirlfriendā. Or so Iād hope if the SHTF. We have discussed how just he and I could go with the pets, leave me to hunker down in the family farmhouse in the UK (not going to specify because Iām hypothetically going into hiding in this scenario!) and he could come back here to settle our affairs, and then he and his sons could leave on British passports.
I hate that we have to think about this and that we talk about it. I get super sick thinking about leaving my brother and his small children behind. I try to find ways that I could take them, too. I hope we are all just super influenced by the show and that this isnāt going to become a reality but I swear every week something new happens that shows how pro birth and anti-woman this country is and Iām baffled at how it keeps going.
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u/AttitudeKooky2357 Apr 02 '24
This is scary.
Geographically, I am closest to Mexico (in south louisiana). But ideally weād be able to get to Canada before shit hits the fan, as I have a 2 year old and am pregnant with my second, and we donāt speak Spanish.
I had an emergency c section with my first and Iām terrified at the thought that they would potentially use me as a handmaid, and 1. Perform a c section on me in a home or 2. Force me to birth naturally. Both options end in certain, agonizing death.
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u/Odd_Amphibian2103 Apr 02 '24
Iād def fly to Prague or Berlin. Trump is a nightmare, and the people that vote for him donāt care. Itās amazing theyāll even let him run for office again.
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u/LollipopDreamscape Apr 02 '24
Because America is currently going Gilead on lgbtq people (Project 2025), my escape plan is to go to England, because I don't want to be on the same continent should they attempt to try to get us back from other countries that we ran to by freezing our US bank accounts or the like. England's not great for us either, but they currently don't want to kill us so I'll take it.
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u/Ok_Map2565 Apr 02 '24
Yes, when shit starts getting weird its too late to apply for visas and passports
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u/Bilbo--Swagginz Apr 02 '24
So sad that so many of us have genuinely have had these thoughtsā¦
Honestly, I would be stuck here because my mother is too fragile to be on the run & sheās the only family I have in this world so itās my duty to take care of her. First thing is to literally strap her on my back & hike out as far as I can into the woods of upstate NY or PA (I live in NJ). My dad was an avid hunter & fisherman when he was alive, I know how to start a fire & forage so we would live off the land. I would keep her safe until she passed & then I would go join the resistance.
I am a doula and was a behavioral therapist for many years so I would more than likely take on the role of caretaker to all displaced children, elderly, mentally ill, special needs, and pregnant people who are waiting to be snuck out of the country. I would also moonlight as a midwifeās assistant.
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u/YawfleStares Apr 02 '24
IF? Try when. It's already started imo.
My second-eldest is going to college in Canada and intends to stay. Another plans to follow suit. Hopefully the rest of us can chain-immigration our way up there on their coattails before things get too far out of hand.
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u/wheeler1432 Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24
I already did.
In 2020 we sold the house, got rid of most of our stuff, sold the car, and left the U.S. Since then we've been traveling the world, staying a month or so in each place. I was worried about what would happen with the 2020 election.
Doesn't look like the 2024 election is going to be any better.
My daughter spent a year in France teaching English, and is now getting a master's degree in the UK and hopes to be able to stay there.
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u/Witchsinghamsterfox Apr 02 '24
Just saying, Iām really glad I am not the only one having these thoughts- i was wondering if I was catastrophizing but with so many others saying the same thing , i feel validated
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u/purple_lily17 Apr 02 '24
I actually think about it a lot. Roe v Wade got overturned and I immediately thought about it. Itās not a choice I would make for myself, but if another woman is in a situation where she needs to consider it she needs to be allowed the opportunity. I know so many people have stories about their child being taken away by CPS when they really are good parents. If the writing was on the wall, and the day came where women lose their jobs, weād probably try to get to Canada. Or try immigrating to England. Iran is such a perfect example and such a sad situation. Iranian women used to have so many more freedoms.
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u/Delicious_Standard_8 Apr 02 '24
Staying here and causing as much disorder and trouble that I can
I am 50 year old female, I had a full hysterectomy at age 30, no kids, no grand kids, no spouse. I have no one who needs me. I'm gonna cause so much trouble>
I would be considered worthless to them, I would not even be paid attention to. Think of the double crossing I could do.
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u/NIssanZaxima Apr 02 '24
This is tin foil hat stuff. Might as well prepare for what you would do if people started transforming in Titans and eating other people while you are at it.
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u/auddiegh Apr 04 '24
I had a plan during the 2020 election in case things went down. I was living in Burlington, VT at the time which is less than an hour away from Canada by car. The plan was the travel through the Champlain Islands as they are pretty sparely populated and crossing over on foot under cover of darkness.Ā
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u/Alohagem Apr 04 '24
Absolutely!! Drive to Mexico. They want us to think itās so dangerous, but the US is dangerous. I live hours from the border
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u/aquarian_booklover Apr 04 '24
Already making plans!! My spouse and I want to be out by the end of the year. Probably will hop into Canada first because itās a bit easier to get there from Minnesota, but long-term goal is Spain. Until we can actually get out, we will have extra cans of gas in the garage along with water and supplies in case we gotta bounce with less warning. I absolutely will not be the person who saw something similar coming for over a year now and didnāt leave when I had the chance.
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u/funkymunky_23 Apr 05 '24
Visually I can pass as a brain washed douche and they seem pretty gullible. Just gonna wait till max damage is possible.
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u/misslouisee Apr 01 '24
Ah, die? I am not prepared to live in a post-apocalyptic americaš