How do you feel about how ... died? (Comic spoiler)

[u/Jbell_1812]

I'm talking about Cecil, just didn't want to have his name in the title.

I always knew he was going to die, it wasn't spoiled for me I just refused to believe that a man like Cecil would survive invincible and I was right. That being said when Rex killed Cecil, I was shocked and told myself that Cecil didn't deserve to go out that way. But then I thought about it and realized it was literally the perfect way for him to die.

Cecil was always someone willing to do whatever it took to keep earth safe but even he had his limits that he would never even consider he had. Rex was exactly the same except he would have pushed Cecil past his limit and would never join Rex which is why Rex killed Cecil first. I know Rex told Mark that Cecils death was on his hands but I don't think that Cecil would have killed any hero just because they might have gone against his orders after all he didn't even try to hurt mark after the disaster with the T-rex (I can't remember his name) Even Sinclair refused to side with Rex. If you disagree with my opinion on if Cecil would have joined Rex let me know.

It's because of this that Cecil died the way he deserved, by being killed by a man willing to do whatever it takes to keep earth safe but Rex was willing to go way further than Cecil wasn't capable of.

That being said, i think the way Rex killed Cecil wad a bit much. Slicing his throat then smashing his head, I don't know if that was deserved.

What do you think?

[u/Kindly_Cellist3071]

He definitely deserved a more ceremonious death, but I do enjoy how shocking it was and it does make sense why Robot would do.

[u/julitronix]

He deserved a better death, but his funeral makes it even more sad. He actually had nobody.

[u/mooimafish33 → u/julitronix]

What I though was fucked up was that shapesmith didn't even have a funeral. Kid Thor and his girl had one, Black Samson had one, Cecil had a private one, but nobody gave a fuck about Shapesmith.

[u/LazyLich → u/mooimafish33]

I mean, he basically almost doomed two worlds because of his own selfishness and didn't side with Invincible when it was he who saved him... so I don't think anyone cares lol

[u/mooimafish33 → u/LazyLich]

I get that, but in my book if you let the guy fight on your team you gotta at least go to his funeral

[u/pixelatedcrap → u/mooimafish33]

You ever pay for a funeral?

[u/Qrs_Nich]

I’m surprised he didn’t have a backup plan like a clone or something somewhere in case of this. He just seemed to well prepared until the end

[u/mooimafish33 → u/Qrs_Nich]

Yea, like how did he not have Donald put him in a robot body?

[u/srslybarryburton → u/mooimafish33]

I mean he didn't have a head anymore so

[u/mooimafish33 → u/srslybarryburton]

Yea but at one point Donald mentions that they recovered most of his mind from putting together pieces of his brain.

[u/aj_ramone → u/mooimafish33]

Well when Donald was put in to his, his brain was intact.

Cecils brain was Robot History X'd

[u/Trickymaster2000 → u/aj_ramone]

I can assure yoy that when that house blew up, Donald’s brain was not intact

[u/Kingbenford → u/Trickymaster2000]

After 40 deaths I’m sure they made sure Donald’s robo skull was more than enough to protect his brain in an explosion

[u/urworstemmamy → u/mooimafish33]

That's why Robot squished his head like a grape, so there wouldn't be anything to back up.

[u/BadBloodBear]

Felt like he deserved a better death.

Make it so he gets a few words out or that he catches on to what Robot is doing.

I understand the way it is written is to make the take over seem so well calculated and planned but feel like a character that important deserved more.

[u/sfinney2]

Awesome. Right in line with how Kirkman likes to play with and subvert tropes by avoiding some fan-pleasing drawn out slow motion death or a long winded speech.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Net3966 → u/sfinney2]

He also subverts trope subversions. Robot did some really shady stuff at the beginning, but we ended up forgiving him. Turns out we shouldn’t be surprised when the shady guy turns evil 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/mooimafish33 → u/sfinney2]

It gets kinda annoying when authors get too lost in the "subverting tropes" sauce. Like "haha I'm going to give these major characters unsatisfying deaths, you'll never see this coming"

I'd say an actually satisfying but still shocking death would be like Rorschach in watchmen.

[u/sfinney2 → u/mooimafish33]

The entire hook of Invincible is a gigantic rug pull with the original Guardians getting quickly and suddenly murdered just after they are properly introduced. So I'd say if you get to issue 110 or whatever and are annoyed that Cecil did not get to go down like Sergeant Elias in Platoon you were setting your hopes too high.

[u/mooimafish33 → u/sfinney2]

That works though because it's shocking and sudden, but it gets elaborated on for the rest of the series. Also it happens in like the first 13 issues so it's kind of just setting up the plot.

I'm not saying that it has to be super dramatic, I thought Oliver's death was fine and it was pretty sudden. With Cecil it just happens and everything kind of moves on and it hardly gets mentioned. Also we had Cecil for like 120 issues before that, unlike the guardians.

[u/JMStheKing → u/mooimafish33]

ehh I don't like when fiction plays up death in general. Most of the time, people just die, and that's it. Kinda glad more stories are leaning into this instead of the "noone ever dies, but when they do it's the most important part of the story" deal.

[u/Oklahazama → u/JMStheKing]

I absolutely agree. Most deaths are unexciting and anticlimactic so I like when that's portrayed in media.

[u/pixelatedcrap → u/JMStheKing]

The banality of death is the scariest part, sometimes. The world comes to a complete stop, but only for the person dying, and the people who care about them. The guy at the check stand and your coworkers aren't psychos for not caring about the deaths that are important to you. Earth shattering, world ending losses of entire families, but the rest of the real world carries on, hardly noticing.

It feels surreal, like the world should be mourning along with you, but the fact it isn't is the hardest hitting fact about death. Nobody really cares your mom died. "Stop making us sad and get back to work. You're being an energy vampire."

[u/JMStheKing → u/pixelatedcrap]

maybe, but I feel like stories literally slow down time when people die, rather than just showing it with the characters. idk if I explained it well, to put it simply, writers be doing too much.

[u/robertrobertsonson]

Comic Cecil feels a whole lot less serious than show Cecil and a bit less competent. I think it made sense he died the way he did, but for the show I hope they make his death more spectacular.

[u/Smash96leo]

I think his death was awesome. Really shows that no one is safe with Robot running things. It also shows how brutal he.

[u/SMKCheeba]

I feel like it did Cecil some disservice. I mean this guy was the top agent well above any CIA or NSA clearance. He should have had some fail safes in place in the event of his untimely death.

[u/FlashyProcedure5030]

The difference between them is that Rex was a heartless purely logical being. He really lived up to the ROBOT moniker. It was poetically ironic. I wouldn't change it. Perfect way for Cecil to die.

[u/Lebowski02]

It is an awful death and I do wonder if they’ll make it faster in the show. It was just so disrespectful to Cecil tbh after so long.

Like I get it, it’s meant to hit you like a ton of bricks and it works incredibly well for the story. But it was still Cecil

[u/Jbell_1812 → u/Lebowski02]

I mean given the things Cecil has done all in the name of the greater good, like hiring Sinclair just after he was arrested, maybe Cecil deserved a gruesome death. One thing he did do for the greater good that backfired completely was saving Conquest from death

[u/Lebowski02 → u/Jbell_1812]

He made stupid decisions, but he always treated mark fairly and always wanted to do the right thing for the world

[u/SiahLegend]

Honestly, I just thought it was lame how he died and no one reference him again after

[u/5am281]

I think it’s a firing death for a man who is always ahead of the game for Robot to prove how well he was hiding his intent by killing him off guard

[u/cant_give_an_f]

Showed how actually human he was, loved how just brutally unceremoniously quick it was. One of the best ways to paint you know who in a light

[u/pixelatedcrap]

I think many great men in history have been cut down with ungraceful, unpleasant deaths in history. The majority have. That's why movies show us the drawn out part we never get to see in real life, because few people have the state of mind to be articulate and graceful in death. It's a very rare thing. Most people die with no dignity, or note, or notice.

Popular books and TV, for a long time, was purely about escapism. We are finally exploring the more taboo tropes from before with more regularity. Getting to see great men like Omar get shot in a grocery store, by a ten year old, after being the most feared stick up kid on The Wire. It doesn't take greatness to kill greatness, and greatness doesn't prescribe a great death, unfortunately.

[u/thedrag0n22]

I don't even care about if he deserved a "better" death in terms of grandness. Fact is they butchered his character to facilitate robots rise, peak character assassination

[u/Diavolo_Death_4444]

It made sense that he died and Robot being the one to do it also tracks, but man is it lame. I don’t mind trope subversions but my immediate first thought was “Robot didn’t have time to get to Cecil’s clones, did he? Or the backup robots?” But instead there was… none of that and Cecil just died with no contingency plans. I hope the show explains that, even if it’s just an off handed rug sweep of Robot saying he disabled Cecil’s backup plans or something.