r/FluentInFinance 7d ago

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u/SANcapITY 6d ago

I wish I could teach the world this. Working hard doesn’t matter. Creating value does.

It’s just that 50 years ago the link between working physically hard and creating value was much closer than it is today with computers and modern tech.

Does an engineer working remotely pushing keys all day work ‘harder’ than a janitor? Of course not, but he can create a lot more value for end consumers.

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u/SecretRecipe 6d ago

Yep, there's a fine distinction between hard work and difficult work.

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u/Flyingsheep___ 6d ago

There are insane coding geniuses that automate all their processes and sit at home playing Runescape who make insanely large amounts of money, because they do things literally nobody else can do.

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u/cfig99 6d ago

I didn’t really believe that until recently. That’s what my cousin’s husband does lol. He’s automated about 70% of his fully remote job and spends most his time on the clock playing video games or watching Netflix and he makes great money. He only does like 2-4 hours of actual work each week.

That has become one of my career goals.

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u/TimelyReturn5105 6d ago

If you want remote learn computer security and programming. If you want just an easy job find a city or county job that's in the office. You have to show up to work but you don't work the entire shift

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u/cfig99 6d ago

Yep, I’m studying programming right now

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u/TimelyReturn5105 6d ago

Look into bug bounty programs if you want a way to get experience. It's not exactly programming (for beginners you use premade scripts) and takes a lot of studying but might interesting to you and something I never heard about until recently.

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u/drweird 6d ago

Similar, I discovered when an old timer coworker went on vacation, and I had to get something done that was in his responsibilities, that he did something very simple once a week (that he said took all week). I scripted it in 20m. He was ultra pissed when he returned and made up all kinds of reasons my way of doing it was wrong, despite the commands in the Linux terminal logs even being the exact same he used. Turns out others knew already that he had a wireless hotspot and a tablet and watched Netflix/porn all day in his cube. His cube was old-school and 8ft tall with no windows and his desk was facing the entry, which was a switchback. I've only seen these 80s monsters at IBM, and they were from the 80s. He didn't get fired in my tenure, and I didn't go to management about it, but they definitely heard him complaining about my "shoddy" work.

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u/SputteringShitter 6d ago

Yeah all 6 of them.

We should structure our society so people don't have to be lucky coding unicorns to live a life worth living.

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u/UselessOldFart 6d ago

For what it’s worth , I’m one of those automators. It’s just, I don’t make insane amounts of money by any stretch at all. I’ve worked for large banks and very large health insurers and all I ever got – after 35+ years and countless areas of exposure – is the .fku% “raise”. I tried looking elsewhere but the same thing always came around – shitty compensation for drastically higher COL. So for some, maybe many, it worked out. But all my hard work ever got was the didlo of exploitation up the arse.

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u/Wtygrrr 6d ago edited 6d ago

Why do you say “of course not?” Do you believe that “working hard” only applies to physical labor? That’s one kind of working hard, but the kind of working hard that leads to a “better life” is about the effort that someone puts in, and the stress that they put themselves through, not about how physical the job is

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u/SANcapITY 6d ago

Because people equate physically working hard to value, and that’s wrong

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u/binary-survivalist 6d ago

and soon, AI will be doing all the "skilled but digital" work. i wonder where that will leave us.

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u/RMZ13 6d ago

Having been a software developer and a barista, I can tell you it’s much harder work doing software. I’m guessing this applies to janitorial work too. I’ve done hard manual labor professionally and it’s easier than coding full time.

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u/Skooby1Kanobi 6d ago

Now apply that to day traders.