r/Fallout • u/Weird-Information-61 • May 31 '24
Which strikes more fear, and why? Question
Which do you fear more, the armored behemoths of modern fallout, or the scaley monstrosities of the older games? What makes you fear your choice more, the way they look, the way they act, or their powerlevel in a select game?
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u/Aljoshean Yes Man May 31 '24
The Fallout 4 Deathclaw: Massive. Not very fast if terrain is in the way, but fairly good at ducking behind cover and trying to move away from the your line of fire. Can be Crocodiles, and can sometimes turn invisible. Typically solitary.
Fallout New Vegas Deathclaws: Very fast, mostly travel in straight lines and eat bullets like they're popcorn. Super high DPS. Typically runs in large packs. Can teleport out of thin air if you are in the Divide.
Fallout 3 Deathclaws: Domesticated by the Enclave.
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u/ballcrysher May 31 '24
yeah theyd be way scarier if they came in pairs in 4
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u/KenseiHimura May 31 '24
Please no. I had to fight two at once in one play through and barely survived because they just kept animation locking me by alternating picking me up and slamming me down:
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u/ballcrysher May 31 '24
yeah thats what i mean
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u/hadryan3 Jun 01 '24
Hell yea, maybe if you get higher in level they increase the chance of packs of them but it would be cool, fo4 deathclaws r a joke but then again I’ve never encountered 2 at 1 time and I have tons of hours in fo4
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u/lildoggihome Jun 01 '24
yea what really made death claws dangerous on new vegas was them spawning in packs of 2-4 depending on the area
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u/hadryan3 Jun 01 '24
Fuck yea and the speed, they would be in ur ass like ticks in a dog pound boy I tell u what, lmao
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u/Quirky-Chemistry-978 May 31 '24
Bro was the lady on the couch meme irl
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u/BungadinRidesAgain May 31 '24
As they're locking you, you can slam stims without its animation to increase your chances of surviving
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u/KenseiHimura May 31 '24
Basically was the only way I could survive: using stimpacks from the menu. Eventually their AI glitched and I broke free but whenever people mock deathclaws as being too weak in FO4, I always think of that moment.
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u/MissLogios Jun 01 '24
Tell me about it. Literally stayed on the roof during the concord mission on Survival, and right when I was thinking I was soooo smart letting the deathclaw kill the raiders, I got hit in the face with a car and died.
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u/paulxixxix Yes Man May 31 '24
During a travel at night I actually saw two deathclaws fighting each other, wanted to fight both at the same time but oh well
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u/SolomonGrundler May 31 '24
I downloaded a creature AI overhaul mod that alongside generally making wasteland creatures smarter and more dangerous, also gives them a chance to Roam in packs. This combined with the SKK combat stalkers mod gave me probably one of the hardest fights I've ever had in Fallout when I pulled up to Quincy and was immediately jumped by a gang of 2 glowing Deathclaws, 1 Alpha and 1 Matriach. Dealing with 1 deathclaw may be easy, 4 is another story.
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u/grsparrow May 31 '24
I distinctly remember encountering a pair seemingly always made up of a legendary and a normal one every time I went to the glowing sea from whichever fast travel location I kept using.
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u/Nachotito May 31 '24
New Vegas' deathclaws were able to open fucking doors those mf won't stop until you're dead.
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u/butholesurgeon May 31 '24
Also fallout 3 death claws are much less scary because you can use a dart gun to cripple their legs easypeasy
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u/StarChaserHooT May 31 '24
To add to the Fallout 4 Deathclaw part, they're also smart enough to know when to hide if they can't turn invisible. If you're staying in a spot where they can't reach you, but you can shoot them, then they'll run off to draw you out.
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u/Azuria_4 May 31 '24
Excuse me, they can what in the divide?
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u/Aljoshean Yes Man May 31 '24
Theres a part on the Long 15 where there's a destroyed bus. If you go on the bus theres good loot, but a Deathclaw will materialize on the roof of the bus and as soon as you exit it will attack you
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u/atfricks May 31 '24
New Vegas does this trick a lot. There's tons of scripted encounters where enemies will spawn behind you.
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u/Seanbon1234 May 31 '24
So this is the bull I'm hearing so much about, thankfully I'm built like a bear (in game)
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u/Despairogance May 31 '24 edited May 31 '24
Normal NV deathclaws are actually identical to Fo3's, except in NV they have 15 DT. Which makes an enormous difference in the early game when you probably don't have a weapon that will do more than the 20% minimum damage after the DT calculation. As I found out the first time I encountered one and used my standard Fo3 method of kiting it into a row of frag mines while shooting it with the best weapon I had, which was a caravan shotgun. The DT allowed it to just tank all of that and one-shot me.
typically runs in large packs
Good ol' Deathclaw Promontory, 36 deathclaws and no cover to speak of so it's really, really easy to get your shit ruined no matter how godlike you've become.
Fallout 3 Deathclaws: Domesticated by the Enclave.
I'll never forget the time Fo3's random encounter system had a vertibird drop an Enclave outpost c/w pet deathclaw right on top of a couple of albino radscorpions.
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u/Skylorzz May 31 '24
That's why I prefer Fallout 4's deathclaw; it's not a stat-stick, and the reason its difficult to beat is because of it's behavior
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u/StarChaserHooT May 31 '24
Very true. I do wish they packed a bit more of a punch though and did more damage per strike. And attacked in packs more often
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u/atfricks May 31 '24
I genuinely think packs would've fixed them by itself. Even in FNV, a lone deathclaw is never a serious threat without catching me totally off guard. It's 2 or more that really start to make me sweat.
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u/BreathingHydra Kings May 31 '24
Honestly I feel like their behavior actually made them easier to kill in Fallout 4. The zig-zagging and dodging means that if you're a good shot you can easily deal a lot of damage before they even get close to you. Maybe on controller it's more difficult but at least on MNK they're much easier imo.
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u/Cloud_N0ne May 31 '24
New Vegas’s are scarier because they look like fucking demons.
But Fallout 4’s look much more believable, given the creatures used to make them
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u/8monsters May 31 '24 edited Jun 01 '24
They were chameleons weren't they?
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u/deathbylasersss May 31 '24
Jackson's chameleons along with DNA from other various unspecified animals.
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u/Bing238 Gary? May 31 '24
Kangaroo has to be one of the unspecified just based off body shape
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u/Egypticus May 31 '24
Jesus christ can you imagine if you were just trekking across the Australian outback wasteland, listening to some oldies on the radio, and a pack of deathclaws starts fucking hopping towards you?
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u/Chest3 May 31 '24
You say that like Australia doesn’t already have Deathclaw adjacent creatures
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u/Sir-Cellophane Gary? Jun 01 '24
I mean, that's basically what wildlife in Australia is like anyway, right? It's like my father used to tell me: "half the creatures in Australia want to kill you. The other half only want to eat you."
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u/RollingRiverWizard May 31 '24
I simultaneously cannot imagine anything more terrifying than the thought of a Fallout-style Australia with all its fauna, nor anything I want to see more than its equivalent of Steve Irwin. Crikey!
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u/Cloud_N0ne May 31 '24
Chameleons and I think there’s some alligator DNA thrown in there too, but don’t quote me on that cuz it’s been a while since I read that. Their overall design reminds me a lot of alligators tho
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u/Dylinquent-KIA Minutemen May 31 '24
I just cited this for my school paper so you better be right.
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u/LucasBarton169 Enclave May 31 '24
Then what the fuck are gatorclaws made of!?!
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u/Cloud_N0ne May 31 '24
I always figured they just had the gator aspects much more prominently emphasized
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u/MrrrrNiceGuy May 31 '24
Just played the Cito mission in Nuka World and it was said on the ghoul scientist’s terminal.
Jackson Chameleon, Alligator, and FEV (scientist found a dead Super Mutant and somehow dragged the dude back to the lab to sample his DNA).
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u/MightilyOats2 May 31 '24
This is 100% it, and I've even used the word demons before to friends of mine when talking about the visual difference.
Them even having one shitty attack animation still doesn't take away from that face
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u/KaptainKetchupTN May 31 '24
Fallout 4 deathclaws just needed to be faster and attack solely in packs and they would have been far more fearsome.
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u/Elementia7 May 31 '24
Honestly I think just the packs part would do wonders.
I remember I was doing a trip to the Glowing Sea to meet Virgil and I got sandwiched between an Albino Deathclaw and a Legendary Alpha Deathclaw.
I've never felt more fear as I was bobbing and weaving between an old warehouse trying to not get gutted as I slowly chipped away at them. Two Deathclaws are actually pretty damn hard to deal with in Falllout 4 because they can sneak up quick.
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u/kukluxkenievel May 31 '24
I’m constantly just looking around pressing q in the glowing sea then I get the jump on them
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u/KeeganY_SR-UVB76 May 31 '24
The Fallout 4 Deathclaw has more flair to it, while the NV ones don’t fuck around at all (contrary to what The Frontier may have you believe).
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u/claydough47 May 31 '24
Secret option C:
Cazador Cazador
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u/Hermaeus_Mike Followers May 31 '24
I mean, they mutated from wasps that fight fucking tarantulas... and usually win. Rather meet a deathclaw than a cazadore.
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u/ImJustStealingMemes Vault 13 May 31 '24
They don't just fight them, that is what makes them even creepier. Its parasitic.
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u/Hermaeus_Mike Followers May 31 '24
Yeah, they're metal asf.
Regular parasitic wasps are all: I shall target this harmless caterpillar!
Tarantula Hawk Wasps: looks at a giant hairy killing machine our fight will be legendary!
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u/letcaster Vault 13 May 31 '24
I see them daily 🥲 they do be scary. I need to get a dead one off the ground and frame it.
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u/Lazzitron May 31 '24
FO4 Deathclaws have the scarier presentation, but NV Deathclaws are scarier mechanically because they simply sprint at you in a straight line with their massive health pool and DT.
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u/Theddt2005 May 31 '24
The eyes and horns of nv deathclaws are demonic but 4s deathclaws zigzagging towards you is more terrifying in my opinion
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u/WyrdMagesty May 31 '24
Yeah the bullet dodging thing is a great way to build that fear as you are trying to keep aiming, keep an eye on its health, etc and you can start feeling more and more pressure the closer it gets.....
A tossed grenade fucks up their day, btw. The trigger for AI to avoid hurled explosives overrides the dodge mechanic and it will typically just step aside a bit and stand there for a moment before kind of resetting and coming directly at you. Gives you time to gun it down, and also makes it come in a straight line if it lives that long lol
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u/Just_Plain_Bad May 31 '24
But this requires me to not throw grenades like the fucking couch potatoe I am
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u/WyrdMagesty May 31 '24
Lol I suck with grenades too and I literally only carry them for this xD the cool thing is that you don't even really have to get close with the grande for it to work. It isn't the explosion that does it, it's the AI auto-reaction to thrown explosives that forces the enemy to run away from it before it explodes. The radius for the trigger is huge, and it travels with the grenade, so even if it just passes the Deathclaw, it will trigger the run away sequence. Chuck it at the ground away from you and even somewhat toward the Deathclaw, you're gonna get results. Bonus points if the grenade bounce makes it follow the Deathclaw and the lizard just stands there while it detonates.
Pro tip: this mechanic is also a great way to deal with raiders/gunners/synths/whatever that are firing from a fortified position. Toss a grenade so.ewhere behind their cover and watch them all stand straight up and run out from behind their protection to just stand in the middle of nowhere like an idiot. Or if they don't for some reason, enjoy the sound of you gaining XP when it inevitably goes boom and starts a chain reaction with all the vehicles and barrels of BOOM everyone like to keep around.
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u/dickface327 May 31 '24
I like to throw landmines down and run backwards. If you crippled the legs then they easy
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u/Weird-Information-61 May 31 '24
For me, the modern deathclaw can be intimidating if you're without power armor, but that's all, just intimidating.
Something about the older deathclaws, perhaps their more abnormal appearance, gives off genuine "I'm screwed" energy. Modern deathclaws look, in a weird way, more normal. It's more like a regular dinosaur, I suppose.
While it's neat how their new AI has the ability to strafe, dodge attacks, and pick up an entire set of power armor, they still just feel like a big obstacle.
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u/cti0323 May 31 '24
I remember in 3 the first time I saw one it one hit Dogmeat and I was terrified.
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u/Appellion May 31 '24
I will say that the FO4 version just looked tankier to me, like it was denser or better armored. NV & FO3 had a more barbed look, a sense of longer claws. Neither of them really scared me though, so it’s hard to compare. I was more creeped out by the Yao Guai: there was something about those all white eyes, the permanent snarl, and the mangy fur. I was always on edge when I went into tunnels with them. If you tossed in that horrible bear scream from that movie Annhilation there’d have been a few spots where I’d have been out of my gaming chair and in the kitchen. Let my toon deal, I’d be out!
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u/Therealpurpleguy56 May 31 '24
My first time with a death claw, I ran into a place where it could not go, for reasons and I just shot it
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u/labdsknechtpiraten May 31 '24
I tried that on my current playthrough of 4, but then the deathclaw clipped/glitched through the doorway, so I had to get around it and back outside.
Thankfully it didn't glitch a second time, and some high explosives dealt with it
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u/Appellion May 31 '24
Yeah, that’s the most depressing part of any of these monsters that are built up to be epic badasses. Firstly, they don’t have guns. Secondly, they can’t fit into the buildings and holes you can shoot them through.
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u/MooneySuzuki36 May 31 '24
New Vegas easily had the scariest and most aggressive deathclaws.
One thing I miss about pre-Fallout 4 Deathclaws is their speed and their ability to leap. Made them absolutely terrifying to hear the sound of one leaping and swiping their claws towards you.
New Vegas also has different levels of Deathclaws (Alpha, Mother, etc) and locations with ridiculous amounts of them, like Dead Wind Cavern and the Deathclaw Promontory across the river.
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May 31 '24
I vividly remember going around a corner just outside Megaton and having a deathclaw jump on my head. Level 4. It was awesome.
Fallout 4 deathclaws are kitty cats.
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u/Chance_Anon May 31 '24
I remember leaving tennpenny towers and heading to a nearby small group of houses and being stalked by a deathclaw. It followed me throughout the town as I kept, just out of its attack range. Ended up having to duck into a house to hide from it
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u/PineSprings Followers May 31 '24
Fallout 4 has different levels of death claws too, you know. They have alpha, glowing, matriarch, savage, albino, chameleon, and mythic. It's just that you have to meet level requirements.
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u/ThatOneGuy308 May 31 '24
Level scaling, the bane of open world RPGs, lol.
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u/Wolf3113 May 31 '24
I agree, let me walk into an area and get blasted with no chance as a level 2 in rags. Nv you don’t touch cazzadors or deathclaws till you’re ready or die thinking you were ready.
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u/Divine_Entity_ May 31 '24
Exactly, in vegas you hear deathclaws at sloan and decide to investigate because surely thats an exaggeration.
It is not an exaggeration.
You are highly incentivized to go the correct direction because the wrong direction is guarded by Cazadors and Deathclaws. And the secret paths of Scorpion gultch to Helios 1, and Prim pass are also guarded by tad scorpions and a solitary deathclaw respectively.
Atleast until you learn to get a stealth boy and sprint to vegas early. (Personally i don't bother because getting levels along the intended path is nice)
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u/ThatOneGuy308 May 31 '24
4 does have a bit of that, if you go too far southeast, enemies are somewhat more dangerous, but there's also no real reason to go down there since there's nothing particularly interesting besides Quincy.
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u/SendMeUrCones "No need for bombs, when hate will do." May 31 '24
Been replaying Fallout 3. It’s really annoying to use up all my my ammo killing albino rad scorpions and army sentry bots before I even get to the quest.
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u/Dieselface May 31 '24
Fallout 4 actually has a cut leap attack animation for Deathclaws. It's pretty easy to turn back on in xedit or the Creation Kit. Some mods already do it. They also have a cut headbutt/bite attack that got reused for Gatorclaws.
As an example of a mod that turns back on their cut attacks.
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u/LoyalSoldier1568 May 31 '24
The 4 Deathclaws look like an animal, the NV Deathclaws look like a spawn of Satan and will put the fear of God into you too
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u/bunnywithahammer Mothman Cultist May 31 '24
I love Fallout 4 deathclaws. Their design is excellent, they feel like nuclear dinosaurs that will shred you to pieces in seconds, incredibly cool monster design. But what I really love about them is their behavior. You have to be crouched, have good stealth to be anywhere near them, and not go into caution, and if that happens, they sniff you in seconds. The attack patterns are great, they hide their weak spots, use cover and throw shit at you, and then knock you down. They will attack anything, and will even follow caravans and attack settlements. I haven't seen this behavior directly but the only settlements that get attacked by a Deatchclaw and it doesn't show up as a side quest, meaning it's a random encounter, and only to settlements connected to a caravan. It's very obvious that Deathclaws and ghouls are the best designed enemies, but deathclaws are number 1 by s long shot. You never know what these things will try to do.
I've seen a small flock of bloodbugs that killed an deatchclaw with little issue. Just to point out how ridiculous stupid this enemy is in contrast. I despise the damn bloodbug.
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u/Divine_Entity_ May 31 '24
And in contrast deathclaws in 3 and NV are incredibly stupid, and it makes them all the more terrifying because they don't wait around, they simply sprint straight for you and kill you in a couple hits.
Oh, and they come in packs, and can open doors.
Basically in 4 you are fighting a highly intelligent predator, and in 3 you are fighting an angry heat seaking hippo in armor. Both are terrifying for very different reasons.
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u/andreslucer0 May 31 '24
New Vegas deathclaws could reliably fuck me up well into the end game. So could Cazadores.
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u/Budget_Hurry3798 May 31 '24 edited May 31 '24
I think the reason death claws are more scary in fo3 and fnv because you can't really runaway or hide effectively, I mean I've never been scare of them in fo4 but when I first played NV and a death claw suddenly appeared behind me I almost shit myself, I'd rather go naked through the glowing sea than quarry junction
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u/Niteshade76 Children of Atom May 31 '24
That and they are way more often in packs in 3 and NV.
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u/PaulQuin Vault 101 May 31 '24
New Vegas had the most lethal deathclaws. You saw one of them and it said [Danger], you knew your days were numbered, lol.
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u/Divine_Entity_ May 31 '24
Don't worry, its going to eat Veronica and ED-E first before your eyes, and then eat your demoralized corpse. (The time this buys you is never enough)
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u/Camotic May 31 '24
the fallout 4 deathclaw looks like some alien radioactive beast and the fallout 3/nv deathclaw looks like something that would hunt me in hell
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u/JLFOxxx May 31 '24
I feel like having you kill one an hour into 4 kind of ruined the idea of them being the big bad enemy they should be.
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u/whattheshiz97 May 31 '24
Well I remember thinking that my trusty almost broken varmint rifle could handle some oversized lizards. Then the horror of it doing nothing to them and getting brutally murdered. Meanwhile fallout 4 gave me a suit of power armor and a minigun with a building you could shoot at it from.
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u/Swampraptor2140 May 31 '24
From a gameplay perspective 4’s death claws struggle a lot because they dance around too much. Older ones would just murk you outright instead of giving you 5 minutes to shoot them at close range.
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u/dr_bluthgeld May 31 '24
NV Deathclaws got dead eyes and quick claws, but the grab animations from 4 got me shook.
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u/Faeddurfrost Brotherhood May 31 '24
NV Deathclaw.
slightly smaller, but faster, does more damage, often run in groups.
Most importantly…. THEIR QUIET.
The first time I ever encountered a deathclaw was in NV and I didnt see it coming.
Noticed my hud kept saying caution, then I briefly caught a glimpse of something run between two rocks. I continued to sneak now the hud says danger. I keep looking around in confusion but “oh well on to New Vegas”. Then WHAM.
Over half my health bar disappeared, I turn around and scream and shit myself as a this massive edward scissor hands reptile flays me to death.
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u/Pryoticus Jun 01 '24
I fear no deathclaws. Except New Vegas deathclaws. They make me cry and wet myself.
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u/Rin_Seven May 31 '24
Bring the claw back in Deathclaw.
I like the design of FO4 but the claws should be bigger. It’d be much scarier also.
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u/Penguin_Tempura May 31 '24
Some of y’all have never ran up on a swarm of cazadors I’m guessing
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u/BoreusSimius May 31 '24
Neither strikes as much fear as seeing the fluttering orange wings of a cazador in the distance.
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u/TK_Games May 31 '24
NV, hands down, specifically because of the F4 nerfclaw. They handed me a minigun and made me kill a deathclaw in the first 11 minutes of the game, taking away any fear I had of them. So later, when I run into them in the glowing sea, instead of shitting my pants in terror, like I'm supposed to, I charge the bastard with a rocket-hammer and get my legs ripped off
Meanwhile NV was like, "Don't go east of Goodsprings, there's deathclaws there and they'll rip your legs off." So when I go there I have the correct amount of trepidation, and when they rip my legs off I can't be mad, they fucking warned me
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u/Basically-Boring Yes Man May 31 '24
Modern deathclaws move around too much and they usually hunt alone. New Vegas deathclaws are almost always found in packs and charge at you with full force, leaving with two choices. Either you accept your fate, or you resist and die anyway.
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u/Riomaki May 31 '24
New Vegas, by far.
It's not their looks, necessarily. It's how they behave. The 4/76 Deathclaw is really animated. Every reaction, every move, is just super dramatic. The problem is, all these reactions waste a lot of time and they also make the beast look sensitive and weak. Whereas the NV one will just keep barreling toward you, practically ignoring your bullets. And that's actually way scarier.
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u/ShaunicusMaximus The Institute May 31 '24
My first encounter with a deathclaw was hilarious, so I want to share it here. I was playing Fallout 3, and I just came out of one of the metro tunnels. I don't remember exactly where, but it was kind of in the middle of nothing in particular. As I am exiting the tunnels, there are wastelanders running toward me to get into the tunnels. I was startled initially, but I just thought, "That's weird. What are they running from?" Then I rounded the corner to find myself face to face with what could only be described as a post apocalyptic dinosaur. I was in the loading screen again before I could get my swears out.
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u/yawgmoth32197 May 31 '24
The fallout 4 one looks like it could be a believable creature. And in terms of the talking deathclaws if we ever get those again, I could see that happening. The new Vegas one looks like a crackhead from hell and I'm not about that
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u/E_Brunswick May 31 '24
There is just something almost demonic about the FO3/NV deathclaws, Old Olney and Quarry Junction are just absolute deathtraps
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u/Cerparis May 31 '24
Here’s my take on deathclaws.
Fallout 4 deathclaws SHOULD be scarier but for some reason they’re not and I think I’ve figured out why.
The sprint button. The ability to sprint and potentially out run or out manoeuvre an opponent makes it a lot less scary. In New Vegas you were stuck in a jogging pace with no way to temporarily increase your speed. This meant that the speedy deathclaw’s if they detected you would ALWAYS catch up to you forcing you to fight.
Fallout 4 is also less open and flat meaning you can hide inside or on top of things the deathclaw can’t get to.
Appearance and gameplay wise New Vegas deathclaws are just bigger, faster enemies which can do a lot of damage, In Fallout 4 the gameplay of the deathclaw is much more scary on paper. They appear were you least expect them, they can grab you and slam you into the ground, they move and duck and weave to protect their weak spot, they sound much scarier and can even lift up cars and throw them at you.
Like I should they SHOULD be scarier, but they’re just not.
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u/Working-Telephone-45 May 31 '24
Fallout 4's look like an actual creature, yeah it looks scary and dangerous but it is apparent that it is just a creature like any other who just so happens to be well equipped for Combat
New Vega's is an horrorific demon born in the darkest pit of hell with a body made specifically for killing who has manifested in our world to commit atrocious acts of violence
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u/TheFutureIsNever May 31 '24
The Fallout 4 Deathclaw has a lot of cool animations it does to stand out but a lot of those end up giving you time to run or attack.
The New Vegas Deathclaw meanwhile is a meat seeking missile of violence that is faster than you and will not stop pursuing or attacking until you are a stain.