r/CollegeBasketball • u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks • 8d ago
What are the biggest busts of college ball?
Who are some players who were ranked really highly, like a high 4-5 star recruit, who never panned out in college? Who do you think was the biggest bust? This is based off of rankings from high school, compared to how they performed in college, not the NBA.
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u/BtownBound Indiana Hoosiers 8d ago
Khristian Lander was a massive disappointment for IU, but it wasn’t his fault. kid should’ve never reclassified, he was nowhere near ready for Big Ten ball and then got Archied. looks like he’s getting decent minutes at WKU now, which is great.
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u/Boom_Confetti Indiana Hoosiers • Missouri Valley 8d ago
Lander was mostly a product of COVID-era recruiting rankings. Was clearly not a 5-star, and the reclass only further exposed him.
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u/2013nattychampa Louisville Cardinals 8d ago edited 7d ago
He’s from Evansville, IN and I live here now. He goes to the same barber I go to. Really nice dude. I was cheering for him, I do wish he would have ended up at Louisville.
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u/tyrannyofwillsasso Illinois Fighting Illini • Southe… 7d ago edited 7d ago
don’t love reading this with illinois bringing in a reclassified kid in will riley. and i mean for these kids’ sakes, ultimately who cares about what idiot fans think
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u/TmackkNation 8d ago
Cliff Alexander
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u/ShittlesucksPDX4ever Oregon Ducks 8d ago
A name I haven’t heard in years being a Trail Blazers fan
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u/GuyOnTheMike Kansas State Wildcats • Wichita St… 8d ago
100%. Went from 5-star prospect to being benched for Jamari Traylor and Landon Lucas reeeeal quick
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u/Carolina_Captain Rice Owls 8d ago
Devin Askew comes to my mind immediately for recent examples. Guy was a borderline 5* and is now at his 4th school (UK -> Texas -> Cal -> Long Beach).
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u/finditplz1 Kentucky Wildcats • Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Lots of UK players high on the list. Not surprised.
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u/First-Chocolate-1716 7d ago
On a long enough timeline you’ll have a lot of busts. Joe B had a lot too or guys that didn’t live up to their high school accolades.
There were a lot of warning signs about Skal coming out of high school.
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u/pimpcakes 7d ago
Given how Cal was recruiting the first ~ 8 years he was at UK, not surprising. It's a volume thing. Cal also targeted athleticism and size over skills (in the last few years he changed, but, well), and oftentimes those types of recruits end up being busts because their ranking is based on potential.
A lot of UK's busts were wings, which is odd because that big criticism from NBA scouts that I've heard (aside from no spacing) is that UK rarely ran PnR making ballhandling guards harder to evaluate, which is where Cal arguably did the best in terms of NBA players.
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u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks 8d ago
Idk how he was so terrible at texas. He averaged 2 points not even one rebound and 1 assist in 15 mpg. I thought in 22-23 he was getting better, but last year he sucked again. Hopefully he has an extremely big jump in numbers at LBSU this year, but he’ll still be a bust imo.
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u/dhalloffame Texas Longhorns 8d ago
He was absolutely terrified to shoot. He’d just dribble drive and then lose the ball while desperately trying to find someone to pass too. I absolutely hated watching him lol
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u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks 8d ago
Yeah he was horrendous and incredibly unproductive. I just don’t understand why he got to play so much.
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u/eparedes19 8d ago
there was something about askew in high school that i just wasnt sure about. idk what rubbed me the wrong way about his game but im not too surprised that he didnt really pan out
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u/DrGeraldBaskums Providence Friars 8d ago
Renardo Sidney
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u/ilovemydawg Memphis Tigers 8d ago
Renardo was so damn skilled as a big bodied big. He just didn’t care about being disciplined
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u/patsniff Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
I’ll never forget him getting in a fight with a teammate on the bench. Good times.
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u/Long_Customer1187 Purdue Boilermakers 7d ago
Or was it in the stands during a tournament game they weren’t playing in?!
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u/VelvetineMilkman Kentucky Wildcats 8d ago
Lived most of my life 30 minutes away from State and I had to hear about Renardo Sidney from my friends everyday for a year lol they would’ve bet their life he was the next KG
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u/hooskies Connecticut Huskies 8d ago
Emoni Bates
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u/goodkid_sAAdcity Marist Red Foxes 8d ago
Didn’t he stop growing earlier than projected? Also ended up with a negative wingspan
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u/MathPretend2424 8d ago
Looking back though, there were some signs. He was never a great shooter but made a lot because his dad was the coach and there offense evolved around him and could shot whatever he wanted. Also skipped a year and went to college early. Was a 6’9” point forward being guarded by slower/ shorter guys in high school Aau.
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u/VelvetineMilkman Kentucky Wildcats 8d ago
If anyone watched the high school games his Senior year they should’ve seen it coming. He looked worse than he did as a Sophomore from the nationally televised games I saw of him
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u/irishwolfbitch Providence Friars • Hunter Hawks 8d ago
Megastar potential squandered
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u/Junior-Hotwater Iowa Hawkeyes 8d ago
Did he really have megastar potential? Dude had T-Rex arms
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u/lafiaticated 7d ago
Him and his dad let fame go to his head after the SI cover.
Wanted all sorts of shit from Izzo who wasn’t having it.
What could have been…
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u/lukebillwalker 8d ago
Seventh Woods was extremely hyped up to be an NCAA star.. didn’t pan out
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u/Icangetloudtoo_ North Carolina Tar Heels 8d ago
Greatest middle school mixtape of all time.
He wasn’t a highly rated recruit by the time he was a junior/senior though bc he didn’t grow at all.
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u/Schned6 Iowa State Cyclones • North Carolin… 8d ago
To be fair the hype is just a consequence of his absurd grade school mixtapes lol. He wasn’t the #1 player of the class or anything and he ended up being a solid role player that had some big games here and there. Definitely brought the right mentality to the program.
Could have been much much worse.
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u/BearForceDos Illinois Fighting Illini 8d ago
Dude has the middle school mixtape equivalent of Tavon Austins college mixtape.
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u/RickyRocaway North Carolina Tar Heels 8d ago
Yeah he couldn’t beat Coby White on the depth chart at Carolina. Has a chip tho (2017 as a fresh).
Signed a deal to play Super League ball in Cork Ireland a few months ago.
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u/barlog123 Purdue Boilermakers 8d ago
Khristian Lander was a 5 star who started at IU then transferred to Western Kentucky and isn't even a regular starter on Western Kentucky in 4 years he's started 13 games. His best year he averaged 9 points a game in the CUSA.
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u/cheezandcrakers 8d ago
Fab melo ugh! 🤦♂️
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u/Not_So_Bad_Andy Syracuse Orange 8d ago
Between the play and being the reason for the NCAA to take wins away from Boeheim.
Also RIP.
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u/Local_Tackle_1774 7d ago
RIP. I remember seeing him around, couldn’t speak a word of English either
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u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks 8d ago
Yeah he wasn’t great. His sophomore year would’ve been a decent year if he would’ve put up those numbers his freshmen year if that makes sense. RIP tho.
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u/PashaCello 7d ago
Didn’t he win a Defensive POY in the Big East though? Yeah he was raw and had some weight issues but he was vital to that team. Still was drafted even so he was not a college bust. Had he not been suspended then they had the pieces to challenge that Anthony Davis UK team.
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u/MayorMcCheeser Marquette Golden Eagles 8d ago edited 7d ago
Patrick Baldwin, Jr.
a 5 star who instead of going to Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas (who he all had offers from) or other large programs, he decided to try and save his Dad’s job at UW-Milwaukee, and ya, it went bad.
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u/RepublicSuperb7057 Purdue Boilermakers 8d ago
Makur Maker - Committed to Howard in the Class of 2020. Around that time there was a push to get HBCU’s back on the national map (ESPN ran a ton of articles about it back then) and he was the highest rated modern era player ever to commit to one. Played a couple games, got hurt, never heard from him again. Howard finally made the tournament after he left...the national hype waned before it even gained momentum & the SWAC & MEAC are still in roughly the same boat.
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u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks 8d ago
Where did he even go? He played like 2 games there I think
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u/cubuffs420420 Colorado Buffaloes 7d ago
He declared after that season. Played overseas and was in the G League last season
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u/TommyRockbottom Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
When someone makes a shot, they usually yell “Kobe!” When someone misses at KU, I yell “Selby!”
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u/Bent_Stiffy Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Pre nagging injury, Selby was pretty dang good. Fans seem to forget that.
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u/finditplz1 Kentucky Wildcats • Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Selby and Xavier Henry were the big players that were hyped to hell and didn’t really do anything when I was on campus.
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u/MisterBrotatoHead Kansas Jayhawks 7d ago
Xavier averaged 14 and 4 on a team with Sherron and Cole Aldrich. There's only one ball, and they got it first.
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u/crimsonphoenix12 Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Xavier was solid, just didn't quite live up to top recruit type expectations.
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u/GrossePointeJayhawk Kansas Jayhawks 7d ago
Ugh, Henry. He came my senior year and he was so hyped. If we are talking about KU basketball busts I gotta go with Silvio DeSousa. He basically sat on the bench while he was cleared to play and when he did play, he got into fights in the disabled persons section at Allen Fieldhouse.
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u/Milo_Minderbinding Kansas Jayhawks 7d ago
Henry nearly averaged as many ppg than Danny Manning did as a Freshman.
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u/patsniff Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Peaked with his debut and had a few solid games after but was MIA way too much.
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u/NotaRepublican85 Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
He was really coming on right before the injury.
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u/theZstands4Diamonds 8d ago
Selby had such a huge ceiling. Never seen someone debut in AFH and exceed expectations like he did. One foot injury later and he’s the biggest bust in Kansas Basketball history. Really sucks.
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u/KSoccerman Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Not the biggest bust.. we had a 5 star recruit leave college due to crashing a car (allegedly bought and owned by a booster) on campus (allegedly while getting head, while drunk), then subsequently sat games waiting for the investigation to finalize and see if there was either charges or NCAA punishment and instead just preemptively transferred to overseas play.
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u/patsniff Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Then tried to sue us later on right?? Billy Preston was such a mess. Carlton Bragg not so great either.Same thing with Chieck Diallo and Cliff Alexander. We’ve had some good bigs since Joel but so many duds as well.
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u/KSoccerman Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
I had it in my mind that Xavier Henry was worse than his one year Stat line showed. It's not super underwhelming, but I remember his hype being so big for his performance being not that impressive.
Also, other people commented Quinton Grimes.
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u/CantFindMyWallet Connecticut Huskies 8d ago
I remember Jim Calhoun whiffing on Selby, Brandon Knight, and Cory Joseph all in the same offseason. Had to settle for a reclassing PG named Shabazz Napier instead.
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u/nman95 Illinois Fighting Illini 8d ago
Jereme Richmond
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u/LDWfan Illinois Fighting Illini 8d ago
Borderline McDonalds all-American to out of the game completely in like 2 years. Not even a mediocre career in Europe or something. Hope he is okay, Waukegan is not the easiest place to grow up.
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u/xmjm424 Connecticut Huskies • Florida Gators 8d ago edited 8d ago
Chris Walker, Florida.
Top ten recruit, was ineligible to play to start his freshmen season and then was finally eligible mid season for a 36 win Florida team, then did jack shit in two seasons in Gainesville.
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u/cubuffs420420 Colorado Buffaloes 7d ago
I still can’t believe he won that HS dunk contest with AG and Wiggins in it
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u/killerjags Florida Gators • Longwood Lancers 7d ago
I remember being so hype for him and Kasey Hill both coming to Florida. I really thought we were going to see something special.
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u/RedRum_Diary Creighton Bluejays 8d ago
Michael Porter Jr.
He sure has a bright NBA future ahead of him! However, he was basically the top recruit in the class, and committed to Missouri under some weird, pre-NIL circumstances.
Then, he got injured in the first half of the first game of the season, and couldn't play until tournament time. Was drafted 14th overall!
But his college career was basically nonexistent.
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u/caguirre211 8d ago
Not just the first half, the first two minutes of the game! I was at that game. I think his stat line was 2pts and 1 off rebound. I waited for at least 90 minutes on a cold Missouri November night to get the best seats possible in the student section. For two minutes of game time vs Iowa State 🤦🏽♂️.
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u/Gray_Beard_1963 Providence Friars • Missouri Tigers 7d ago
Peak Missouri... Just when things are looking up, apply the cup because the groin kick is coming.
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u/onewordbandit 8d ago
Josiah Turner
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u/SteelieP Arizona Wildcats 8d ago
Great oogly-moogly, I forgot about him. Just a mess.
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u/onewordbandit 8d ago
I knew when my roommate was smoking pot with him that he was going to be trouble
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u/TheCJbreeZy Arizona Wildcats • Illinois Fighting Illini 8d ago
There’s the name I couldn’t remember. Complete mess all around.
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u/PopDukesBruh Duke Blue Devils 8d ago
Man… Let’s see
Chase Jeter
Taylor King
Harry Giles
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Shavlik Randolph
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u/jt5574 North Carolina Tar Heels 8d ago
Giles had so many injuries before he got to Duke though. Tons of potential just robbed from that young man. Same with Randolph, found out later, was dealing with a foot problem he tried to fix himself using cut up tennis balls in shoes.
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u/norcaltobos Pacific Tigers 8d ago
Sucks because he’s the nicest guy too.
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u/somethingsimple1290 ECU Pirates 7d ago
Yeah growing up near Wesleyan Christian I was fortunate to meet Harry Giles and Theo Pinson a couple of times. They were always nice, even when swarmed by high schoolers.
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u/Nachowarrior595 8d ago
Trevon Duval
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u/wahfingwah Duke Blue Devils 8d ago
He actually improved throughout the year and was probably our best player in the Elite Eight game against KU
Problem was he was just an awful, awful shooter.
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u/bloomingtonrail Kentucky Wildcats • Idaho Vandals 8d ago
Sacha Killeya-Jones
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u/finditplz1 Kentucky Wildcats • Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
I read some stuff recently about his struggle with mental illness that made me sad. Sucks that some of these kids have so much pressure thrust on them.
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u/Hopeful_Remote468 8d ago
Cheick Diallo… after all the drama with getting him eligible, Self lets him ride the bench all season 😭
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u/Mission-Anybody-6798 8d ago
Cheick couldn’t learn the plays.
But Kansas has had so many. Cliff Alexander. Selby. Quentin Grimes. And the one that started the avalanche, Billy Preston. Aaargh.
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u/ScoopMaloof42 8d ago
Quentin Grimes was a very good college player. Just because he didn’t pan out at Kansas doesn’t make him a bust
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u/patsniff Kansas Jayhawks 8d ago
Just commented this somewhere else and forgot to include Grimes. Man we had some whiffs
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u/KrustyKrabPizzaMan Maryland Terrapins 8d ago
Diamond Stone
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u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks 8d ago
He wasn’t really terrible in college, definitely not top ten, but he was not horrendous.
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u/goodkid_sAAdcity Marist Red Foxes 8d ago
Looking at his pro career, he’s Diamond Stone, International Man of Mystery now
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u/SorsumCorda 8d ago
Diamond was actually a good freshmen Big, he put up solid numbers, had he stayed for his sophomore yr, he would of been a big time college player i believe, he was just not a fit for the NBA
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u/mitchdwx Penn State Nittany Lions • Bowling G… 8d ago
I remember when he scored 40 against us.
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u/KrustyKrabPizzaMan Maryland Terrapins 8d ago edited 8d ago
And then didn’t do much else in the games afterwards
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u/___SE7EN__ Illinois Fighting Illini 8d ago
Skyy Clark . I was so stoked when he commented to Illinois, but it was an epic collapse. I'm still hoping, for his sake, he can put together a good season.
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u/Retro40Clip Virginia Tech Hokies 8d ago
He had some really good moments at Louisville last year. I think he could ball out next year at UCLA
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u/Wazzoo1 8d ago
Micah Downs. Total head case and a bum who routinely got worked by Marcus Williams. Somehow he was the McD's AA over Marcus. He bounced around high schools. Also, his dad was an all-time worst sports dad.
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u/PapayaTr33 8d ago
Shabazz Muhammad
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u/Squirts-Faygojizzer Connecticut Huskies 7d ago
He was all-Pac12 and a freshman All-American? Opposite of a college bust
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u/JBru_92 UCLA Bruins 7d ago
It's weird to say this about a guy with his college accolades on a conference-winning team, but he really didn't do much to help the team win, just had a lot of empty scoring vs bad teams.
Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams were clearly much better players than he was even as freshmen.
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u/JustAnotherDay1977 Marquette Golden Eagles 8d ago
Dinky Proctor. Was supposed to be the next big thing back in the early 80s. Ended up playing 1 1/2 seasons at NC State and averaging about 1.1 ppg.
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u/ohverychill Purdue Boilermakers 7d ago
Dinky Proctor
sounds like a name for the Baby of the Year sketch in I Think You Should Leave
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u/Fixner_Blount Iowa State Cyclones 8d ago
Maybe not a national bust, but Xavier Foster is certainly ISU’s biggest one lately. He’s apparently going to SMU next year, and I had no idea he was even still around.
You could say Omaha Billiew, but he at least stayed out of trouble and was by all accounts a damn good teammate.
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u/DiaperDonaldT 8d ago
Xavier Foster has an IQ of a shoe. I doubt he’ll work out at SMU either.
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u/jonylahforever Louisville Cardinals • Iowa Hawkeyes 8d ago
he was there this past season, did not do a thing. He's at Radford now.
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u/Schned6 Iowa State Cyclones • North Carolin… 8d ago
Maybe this is too blunt to say but… Foster is just a fucking moron. Really just that simple. A jerk and a moron.
Too early to call Omaha a bust imo. Let the game slow down for him over the next couple years and he could turn into an absolute monster.
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u/jonylahforever Louisville Cardinals • Iowa Hawkeyes 8d ago
Foster is at Radford now, after spending a season at SMU.
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u/Junior-Hotwater Iowa Hawkeyes 8d ago
I remember being bummed when Foster chose ISU over Iowa. In hindsight, thanks for taking him. Iowa had enough players like him during the Alfraud years
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u/LuckyStax Nevada Wolf Pack • Big Ten 8d ago
Jordan Brown was a 5* lol
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u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks 8d ago
Ouch 😂 he wasn’t entirely terrible tho
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u/LuckyStax Nevada Wolf Pack • Big Ten 8d ago
Nevada, Arizona, Louisiana, Memphis, sure bounced around a lot
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u/fightin_blue_hens Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens • Florida… 8d ago
Does James Wiseman count?
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u/Eschatonbreakfast Memphis Tigers 7d ago
Wiseman was decent in the 3 games he played in in college.
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u/Times_Person_of_2006 8d ago
That LeBron James kid from the early 2000's. He was such a great talent and big name but never really did anything on the collegiate level.
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u/GeorgeWBush2016 Illinois Fighting Illini • St. Peter's Pe… 8d ago
Kelvin Torbert
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u/BonerHonkfart Michigan State Spartans • Louisvil… 7d ago
I disagree - Kelvin never turned into the superstar he was supposed to, but he was an effective player at MSU.
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u/McClellanWasABitch Seton Hall Pirates 8d ago
Eddie Griffin wasnt the traditional #1 national recruit bust. he was just certifiably insane. even to his own team. RIP.
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u/Plastic_Yesterday434 8d ago
I remember Wally Judge was supposed to be a huge snag for Kansas State. I think he was a 5 Star recruit. I just remember a crap ton of mediocre at best play.
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u/TomCreanDied4OurSins Indiana Hoosiers 8d ago
Khristian Lander, Hanner Perea, Peter Jurkin
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u/GoSquanchYoSelf Louisville Cardinals 8d ago
Sebastian Telfair
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u/spipscards Texas Longhorns • Northeastern Huskies 8d ago
This is a really silly answer. Didn't play in college and had a successful NBA career. Nonsense.
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u/Emperor-Octavian Penn State Nittany Lions • Villanova Wi… 8d ago
?? Bro never touched a college court
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u/IcyPomegranate122 Baylor Bears 8d ago
Seventh Woods if he ever made it that far
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u/oneoftheguysdownhere North Carolina Tar Heels 8d ago
Best middle schooler of all time. But he didn’t really grow/develop at all in HS and was a 4* by the time his senior year rolled around.
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u/Nouseriously Vanderbilt Commodores 8d ago
5* Simisola Shittu was part of Vandy's best class ever (with Darius Garland). They were both projected to be 1 & done first round picks. Garland got hurt, but was still a lottery pick.
Shittu had a mediocre freshman year on a seriously bad team. If he'd come back, the offense would have revolved around him. Instead, he declared & went undrafted.
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u/cubuffs420420 Colorado Buffaloes 7d ago
Josh McRoberts and Greg Paulus
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u/WillMunny48 Duke Blue Devils 7d ago
McRoberts was still a good player and had an nba career. Just was never a college superstar. Paulus was definitely a bust relative to ranking although he had moments. In retrospect the athletic limitations were so obvious I don’t know what the recruiting services were possibly thinking.
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u/TheHamSamples Colorado Buffaloes 8d ago
Bronny James
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u/Onetimenotagain Arkansas Razorbacks 8d ago
That’s kinda different imo, considering everyone knew he wasn’t great and was only popular bc of the nepotism. Peyton Watson is a better example in the pac 12, in recent years.
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u/INtoCT2015 Purdue Boilermakers • Connecticut Huskies 8d ago
Andre Drummond. Great NBA player. Most mid college basketball player I’ve ever seen with that high a recruiting rating
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u/RumHam1996 San Diego State Aztecs 8d ago
Is it fair to say Malik Pope? A 5 star who actually committed to SDSU and was supposed to be a star, but averaged 8.9PT and 5.0REB in 4 years
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u/Supersoaker_11 8d ago
Not mentioned here yet, so:
Abdul Gaddy
Not the highest rated but he was an All-American who was genuinely horrible and couldn't figure out the college ball at all
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u/MegaWattson15 8d ago
Nick Smith Jr.
It didn’t matter what he did in college, he was always going to be a lottery pick. So I can understand the “injury management” but I think throwing him into the lineup screwed up the team chemistry. I was just never very impressed with his play at Arkansas.
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u/tanukis_parachute Virginia Tech Hokies • Denver Pioneers 7d ago
Russell Pierre. Transfer from NCSU to Tech in the mid 80s. Parade HS AA who wasn't impressive in college and he, and Johnny Fort, helped put us on probation. I just googled Johnny Fort's name and there is a documentary about him. About prison and redemption. Maybe I'll watch it.
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u/steelguy17 Cincinnati Bearcats 7d ago
Cincinnati fans will remember Jermaine Lawrence, 5* who was a very talented kid that had all the wrong people in his ear.
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u/Zargyboy Seton Hall Pirates 7d ago
I'll add one that's big for us at least: Brandon Weston.
Reason being is that at the time he was the 3rd highest rated recruit in Seton Hall history. Played in maybe one game for us before he transferred.
Now he's barely making 5 ppg off the bench at Rhode Island. Not sure why he hasn't worked out.
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u/ShadyJake75 Connecticut Huskies 7d ago
Ajou Deng. CBS showed him and even Nantz hyped him during the 99 championship game as the next great recruit and that UConn may be even better the next year. Two years later he transferred to Fairfield. His brother ended up ok though.
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u/Semper-Fido Kentucky Wildcats 8d ago
Skal Labissière
What a swing and miss.