r/ClashOfClans • u/PokeKnox TH16 | BH10 • 2d ago
Supercell threatening teams for being transparent about how things work. Discussion
Bad timing đ¤
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u/Goblin_King_CoC #StopPhishing 2d ago
âFailure to abide by this rule may result in disqualification of your teamâŚâ unless it is VM Legacy.
Fixed it.
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u/Mookel_Myers 2d ago
Didn't max breach his contract and harrass multiple members? Isn't max the one who posted the screenshots? Correct me if I'm wrong I actually don't know the story I'm just being a sheep and going based on what I've seen
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u/Goblin_King_CoC #StopPhishing 2d ago
TL;DR Version
Tribe & Navi both had to abide by existing rules, but VM Legacy did not when doing similar things to Tribe & Navi.
Full Version
When Tribe gaming wanted to replace a player, they had to get an agreement by all players on the team (including the one being let go) and the prospective new member before Supercell would consider the roster change. That is in accordance with the rules. When VM Legacy wanted to kick Max, there was no open discussion or agreement with Max. That is different than what SC required of Tribe.
When a player on Navi was found to have broken the fair play rules that player was banned from competitive play for a year, Naviâs World qualification was removed, and Navi was disqualified from competing for another qualifier for a month. When a player on VM Legacy was found to have broken the fair play rules, VM Legacy was not punished.
Why did Tribe have to have negotiations with the leaving player and not VM Legacy? Why was Navi punished for a cheating player but not VM Legacy?
EDIT: My original comment was jokingly made knowing that VM Legacy was not required to follow other rules, so why would we expect they would be required to follow this other rule?
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u/Mookel_Myers 2d ago
I see. Thank you for your explanation. Apparently people didn't like it and downvoted you but I gave an upvote to put you back at neutral cause it was detailed enough that I could understand it
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u/Goblin_King_CoC #StopPhishing 2d ago
No worries â happy to help. Iâm sure there is a lot more to all the stories, but even just the âappearanceâ of issues is often enough to set off a communityâŚespecially when thousands of dollars are on the line for the impacted parties.
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u/Wardendelete TH16 | BH10 2d ago
He talked shit behind the team's back, and ninj(guy who buys accounts) found out and reported him, and got Max removed from the team without any compensation even though he qualified for the Golden Ticket.
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u/ltllamaIV TH16 | BH10 2d ago
i dont think he harrassed anyone i think he just didnt get along with them or something like the team chemistry was not there; he stated that he would put his personal feelings aside to help compete with the team. i think the screenshots were posted by some kid named ninj
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u/Reins22 2d ago
Iâll admit, Iâve not kept pace with any of this at all so idk what the whole drama is about beyond that some guy named Eric is deeply involved in this
But this seems like a standard thing most organizations have members/players agree to. Unless theyâre trying to cover up something serious that would result in criminal or civil charges, I donât think this is worth getting mad about
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u/HydreigonTheChild 2d ago
I mean if it's a rule that exists then it should prob be reminded to be followed... if u knowingly joined with the rules being read or shown tk you then yeah...
And I bet this is anyway gonna cause a lot of dmg for Eric and maybe for future stuff
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u/HikerStout 2d ago
"Threatening teams" by reminding people of the rules they agreed to when they signed up. MONSTERS
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u/The_Bloons 2d ago
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u/GamerA_S TH11 | BH9 2d ago
Why are you being downvoted it's obvious that you are joking if the ammount of angry emojis didn't send that
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u/nitroboomin97 2d ago
It's definitely eric trying to spin something that's pretty standard into a conspiracy. But the "rules" that sc has are a fucking joke. It's also against the rules to buy,sell, and/or share an account, yet its open secret that 90% of the pro players are using an account that they bought which is against the "rules".
They did enforce their "rules" on pcastro once it's also interesting that his teammates on navi were very vocal about their disapproval of the meta but banning klaus, stars, or gaku wouldn't be a good look for supercell.
It reminds me of governmental corruption in china/russia. It's also an open secret that everyone is corrupt, but nobody gets punished for it until someone starts saying things the big man on top doesn't like...
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u/MigLav_7 TH15 | BH10 2d ago
They banned Pcastro for piloting. They do enforce most their other rules apart from account buying, and Pcastro was banned because of that
Lets not get the tinfoil hats out here.
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u/nitroboomin97 2d ago
So, getting paid to push someone's account in Legends League is a big no-no.
But buying an account that was either phished away from its legitimate owner through supercell's shitty 3rd party support or used a fuckton of farming bots that suck away the loot from tos abiding players is a-ok.
That's nice to know. Thank you for informing me of the difference...
Let's stop pretending that supercell is just being pragmatic by turning a blind eye to pro players' buying accounts. If anything, it's also rather convenient that a majority of the pro players are breaking the rules so that if they ever become troublesome, supercell has legitimate means of banning them from the tournament.
Compared to what others are doing, piloting an account is rather minor imo. It was definitely something else that got him banned. Why would supercell no longer give him the blind eye when they had been for years?
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u/nitroboomin97 2d ago
So getting paid to push someone's account in Legends League is a big no-no.
But buying an account that was either phished away from its legitimate owner through supercell's shitty 3rd party support or used a fuckton of farming bots that suck away the loot from tos abiding players is a-ok.
That's nice to know. Thank you for informing me of the difference...
Let's stop pretending that supercell is just being pragmatic by turning a blind eye to pro players' buying accounts. If anything, it's also rather convenient that a majority of the pro players are breaking the rules so that if they ever become troublesome, supercell has legitimate means of banning them from the tournament.
Compared to what others are doing, piloting an account is rather minor imo. It was definitely something else that got him banned. Why would supercell no longer give him the blind eye when they had been for years?
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u/MigLav_7 TH15 | BH10 2d ago
Supercell doesnt enforce ToS When it comes to buying accounts. On other stuff, they do enforce it. They banned Pcastro because thats When He did piloting.
When you're talking about a competitive scene, piloting is ages worse than buying accounts. Pcastro was banned due to piloting. Thats simply it, its not hard to grasp.
Are they both ToS violations? Yes. Should they both be enforced? Also yes. Are they both enforced? No.
(Also bots dont make it past TH13. You dont buy bot accounts unless you wanna see your money go down the drain. Several people that end up quitting the game decide to sell their accounts for some money, accounts bought arent just result of shady phishing/botting and certainly isnt the preffered origin of those)
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u/nitroboomin97 2d ago
You shall not (or attempt to) purchase, sell, rent or give away your Account, create an Account using a false identity or information, or on behalf of someone other than yourself; You shall not use the Service if you have previously been removed by Supercell, or previously been banned from playing any Supercell game.
https://supercell.com/en/terms-of-service/#1.-Using-the-Service
On a side note I noticed you are making a separation between "buying an account" and "piloting an account" as if they are two separate offense that are prohibited by two separate rules.
When in fact according to the tos, they fall under the broad rule that prohibits account sharing regardless if it's buying an account or playing another account. So pcastro and ninj have both broken the same rule but one is punished but the other got a slap on the wrist.
That is my interpretation of the tos. I would love to hear yours and why there is a separation between "buying an account" and "piloting an account" instead of both violating the same rule and therefore being the same violation of account sharing.
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u/MigLav_7 TH15 | BH10 1d ago
I was specific with what I Said. Supercell doesnt enforce the ToS when it comes to account buying. They still enforce their other rules and still enforce the other things on the rule where they deem account buying agaisnt ToS. They just dont punish esports players for account buying specificly. Everything else can and Often Will be enforced and result in bans
Pcastro was on the esports for years, and He Saw several players getting banned for piloting. He knew He would get banned too if He was caught, which happened. Its not like He had some sort of misinterpretation. He Saw live examples of it happening, He knew what the consequences could be
Well, account buying is different. Supercell has historically not banned players for it, which leads to other players practicing it - if One of them was banned, they could severely Damage the esports reputation about the matter. As the years went buy it became increasingly common to buy accounts, simply because its very cheap given how much time you're saving
And so it enters this vicious cycle. Currently, Banning someone for account buying is just asking to have the esports scene suffer a considerable hit. Enforcing account buying consistently would mean world Championships would likely get Taken away retroactively, and that several if not all the teams would have at least 1 banned player. It can lead to loss of sponsors of the teams or tournaments, aswell as loss of interest in the esports scene overall - who would want to see the video of the golden babies that get to break ToS? They're already favoured enough and most people still dont have the slightest idea how many rule violations happen up there.
Now, why did supercell not enforce account buying bans for years? Idk
Pcastro getting banned and Ninj not getting banned shouldn't be surprising at all though given how the esports scene has worked in the past years
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u/nitroboomin97 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think I misunderstood you. I didn't understand why you were treating buying an account and piloting an account as two separate things when they are both account sharing and therefore both against the tos. But now I understand that supercell arbitrarily treats them as two separate things.
I don't think this is an impossible problem to solve and if it was enforced it would destroy the esports scene. Xmod used to be really common, but supercell brought down the hammer on anyone who used it. Similarly, supercell could put out a statement saying that they will treat buying accounts more harshly moving forward. My understanding is that Pro's buy accounts because they ain't got time to actually play the game. So, just simply giving pro players temporarily a full maxed base for friendly wars for the duration of the tournament would give them an alternative way out of having to buy an account.
It would also give coc esports more credibility as a purely skills based competition since it would be very difficult to make an argument that it's a pay2win tournament. It's not, but there is some merit in the argument that having maxed defenses is an advantage or that an epic costs 480 starry ore to max, but the most starry ore your guaranteed to get per month f2p is 220-310. You don't necessarily need to have every single epic fully maxed to get 3 stars, but it does give the person more options if they do.
We will probably never know the reason why supercell doesn't want to fix this problem but for me personally any organization where everyone is breaking the rules raises alot of suspicion as to why they allow it to happen. Given that it usually leads to a culture of mistrust and paranoia since technically anyone and everyone can be banned anytime. Maybe it hasn't happened yet but it is a possibility.
Edit: so apparently, a player from vm legacy got banned I guess this discussion was kinda pointless.
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u/nitroboomin97 2d ago
Explain to me how piloting is worse? The way I see it let's just say pcastro decided to push his main account and finished number 1 he's going to knock down whoever would've been 1-199 down a spot. Pcastro decides to push the piloted account to number 1 for money again he's just going to knock whoever would've been number 1-199 down a spot. It's not going to make a difference. It's just a way for him to make some money on the side and given how CoC isn't the best game to become a pro player in I can't blame him for doing that.
While there might be some ethical sales of accounts, the whole industry is notorious for being filled with shady characters that fuck over the playerbase that play the game legitimately. How are we supposed to know that these accounts are from an ethical sale verse an unethical sale and the seller is just lying about the account belonging to them? They clearly don't have a problem with stealing, so dishonest buisness practices is peanuts to them.
Taking part in this industry in any way is supporting the scumbags that regularly fuck over the average player that make up the majority of the playerbase and most likely the majority of supercell's revenue. Which in turn funds the 1 million dollar prize pool. I'm genuinely curious to hear how that isn't ages worse than piloting.
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u/Busy-Scallion5795 2d ago
Maybe because legend leagueâs seasons are considered as tournaments? And only the owner of the account can play the account, and not someone else playing for him.
i think this is more about the integrity of tournaments than fighting bots in this case.
I remember a screenshot where a supercell guy was explaining to Fluxxy he could basically keep his bought account but not use it for legends or championships.
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u/nitroboomin97 2d ago
So he acknowledged fluxxy breaking the rules and said just don't break the rules while in the tournament?
Sorry if I'm being too bull headed here, but what integrity is even left to be concerned about it? I thought it was an open secret and that people were atleast too ashamed to acknowledge, but acknowledging it openly is a new low.
Why even bother having rules for anything at this point.
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u/Busy-Scallion5795 2d ago
Yes, pro have a different treatment than regular players. I donât really agree with that position, but pro are actively promoting the game, so it might be a business decision, or not.
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u/LeoGuzzlesDannysMayo 1d ago
Lexnos had his account banned a couple years ago for buying it. He had to gem a new account when he was still an esport guy.
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u/Batyalas TH14 | BH10 2d ago
You are either unemployed or still a child. This is how organisations work
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u/lburner220 2d ago
He knows the people that follow him are largely children. He knows very well this is common practice, but itâs an easy thing to use to keep his followers riled up.
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u/rifle8888 TH14 | BH10 2d ago
Nobody is being threatened. Itâs in the rules and if you canât follow them then donât participate. Itâs pretty simple. You act like this is something new around the block but it appears Iâm many companies
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u/certified4bruhmoment 2d ago
So we're ignoring the fact that fluxxy hasn't had no repercussions for obvious TOS break of the game?
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u/HydreigonTheChild 2d ago
people prob know of it... but idt fluxxy is getting special treatment against it and its prb smth that a lot of players do and supercell prob is either
a. gonna deal with it all at once
b. ignoring it cuz they dont want to lose a lot of pros
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u/MigLav_7 TH15 | BH10 2d ago
Yes, like weve ignored players buying accounts for years
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u/certified4bruhmoment 2d ago
But people can get banned for simply sharing accounts but a pro who should be held at higher standards than the rest of the player base can freely buy and sell accounts? Someone who has connections to SC. Someone who's in the creator program when he doesn't have the required amount? Yeah favouritism or SC turning a blind eye.
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u/MigLav_7 TH15 | BH10 2d ago
Supercell has never enforced bans for buying accounts for years now on competitive play
And at this point, most teams would lose someone if they did just instantly ban the players that have bought accounts. The sheer amount of ToS violations that pass and have passed historically when it comes to account buying is nuts Its much more surprising to see someone banned from account buying that not seeing it
Also, itzu did correct Eric there . Fluxxy was a part of the creator program and had tier3 without the requirements the same way other esports players like klaus had. Esports players that stream somewhat Often get benefits they wouldnt get normally but they do get them because they're esports players. Is it stupid? Maybe. Is it favoritism? Not within the esports scene
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u/certified4bruhmoment 2d ago
So its okay for the actual playerbase to get banned for it then? But SC turns a blind eye to the pro scene and please site sources on pro league players buying accounts because unless I have dementia I can only think of fluxxy who has clear evidence against him. Its in the TOS for a reason if it doesn't get enforced it shouldn't be in there simple but I guarantee let's say fluxxy steps out of supreme leader supercells line those dc messages will be flux right back at him.
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u/MigLav_7 TH15 | BH10 2d ago
Im.not saying it isnt stupid. It is. But they not bannying fluxxy is just being consistent with what they've done in the past years, not the orher way around
And its also ironic to think that this drama helped some people understand the sheer amount of ToS breaking on esports scene â ď¸
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u/certified4bruhmoment 2d ago
Again please site sources of a PL player having evidence against him for buying accounts but you can't just say their being consistent when actual players get banned for the same reason
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u/MigLav_7 TH15 | BH10 2d ago
Im saying they're being consistent within the esports scene. They're not consistent at all compared to most players. That would be asking for too much I guess
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u/certified4bruhmoment 2d ago
So you're agreeing with me that it's favouritism within all of PL against clear TOS breaches that the normal player base would be banned for correct? These players should be held at a higher standard.
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u/Gold-Fan439 2d ago
The only reason they have that has a rule is because they don't want to deal with 2 players claiming the same account for a reason or another
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u/Imaginary_Thing_1009 2d ago
wasn't it Eric who drew attention to this leak with his video? and now he's potentially getting people in trouble for this? isn't he going a bit too far?
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u/TheOnlyVibemaster th 27 2d ago
brother thatâs pretty standard, anyone who is involved in anything anywhere knows you canât share confidential information
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u/Christian943 TH13 | BH8 2d ago
Omg 300 players out of 10s of millions of you are going to quit because supercell bad and you donât like it, grow up. The game isnât flinching.
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u/Jwarrior521 2d ago
This guy is actually just blindly raging about it nothing now that he realizes his career is dead without clash lol. Brother they just gave a reminder of the rules
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u/Already_Taken_sorry TH16 | BH10 2d ago
"Another sad day for clash of clans?" What the hell?
All I see is a broken, unemployed drama queen crying for someone to recruit him to the game again.
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u/LavishnessLittle6730 2d ago
This dude really made it his existence to hurt the game as much as possible after they ruined his career :DD
Someone is extremely emotional and mad currently
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u/BluCode99Alias TH15 | BH10 2d ago
Can this Eric guys shut tf up already
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u/Lewdmilla_ 2d ago
Why are you so mad about him calling out supercell. You the community manager or sum? Lmao
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u/Jwarrior521 2d ago
Bro how is this calling them out it was a league admin reminding players of the rules smh
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u/TheBottomLine_Aus 2d ago
This dude has lost the plot. He's dug a hole far too deep and he keeps digging. Genuinely getting embarassing for him now.
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u/DoomsdayDestructor 2d ago
Eric shouldnât have brought this to the public, especially with this little info.
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u/cnbesinn 1d ago
This is standard procedure in any company, you guys just want to see drama unfold lol.
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u/Commercial_Adv TH13 | BH7 2d ago
For once I'm agreeing with the comments here, rare COC community W
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u/RowUpstairs8400 2d ago
So they didn't ban Ninj for buying account, even though they banned pcastro , but they will ban other players for pointing out this favoritism. DisgustingÂ
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u/Austen11231923 1d ago
I was really neutral in this whole thing, and even sympathetic for Eric, but now he's just trying to start a riot in his fan base that doesn't understand how things work in the real world. Companies are shitty sometimes. It happens
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u/Eighty_88_Eight 1d ago
How are so many people in this comment section missing the point. Youâre all saying âthis is standard procedure etc etcâ.
Recently it has been exposed that supercell arenât enforcing their own rules in a fair manner, this was proven via leaks of stuff that falls under their rule 2.6.1. The admin, by posting this âreminderâ of this rule, is trying to silence people from doing the same thing and hurting their image more, using the threat of the fact they can and will be punished for it.
Yes, it is factually true what the admin is stating, itâs the implication behind why it is being posted at this specific point in time that is relevant. Can you not see that?
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u/Federal-Garbage-1060 2d ago
Wow, fucking corrupt Supercell. What a joke of a company
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u/HydreigonTheChild 2d ago
this is pretty standard among companies ... and pretty standard of comp teams i hear to keep drama among themselves or smth and to solve it between them.
Anyway people breaking ToS is not really exclusive to fluxxy and a lot of pros do it... so we should either expect a big ban wave sometime soon (prob not) or this is just smth they dont want to deal with cuz it would prob result in a lot of losses of pros
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u/Heafdelablake 2d ago
I read that this morning and though âfuck you davidâ Iâm team Eric now
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u/Rasdit 2d ago
Sounds like teenage girls talking about whether the male vampire or werewolf actor is better looking there, fanboi
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u/Heafdelablake 2d ago
Maybe. I havenât really been following the story but it feels good to choose a side! #teameric maybe we can get 7/11 to do the cups and everything like they did for Edward and Jacob!!!
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u/Feather_the_Redemmed TH14 | BH10 2d ago
Most things, including this, should not be  be seen as no choosing a side, as it should be a more complex problem than liking one person more than a other.
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u/omniverseee 2d ago
Imagine an FBI agent being transparent with internal conflicts in US government LMAO.
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u/MarionberryEqual4564 1d ago
The issue still persists with VM not being disqualified and rather being favored over NAVI / VAE.
If the internal resolution compromises the integrity of the esports league why should you keep mum? Thinking Supercell will still address it fairly is out of the question if they cannot promise anything.
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u/No-Bug-9266 1d ago
Okay hereâs a situation. You recieve damning evidence of misconduct by your employer in your inbox, right now. What do you do? If your answer is not, "Immediately and publicly release the information and condemn the actions of my employer with zero regards for any consequences that could arise from doing so. Without confirming the validity and context of the information." Then your expectations of others are woefully out of line with your expectations of yourself....
Are you prepared to loose your job today? Are you fine with becoming the target of harrasment and attempts to disrupt your ability to work in your chosen field, with little or no ability to defend yourself? Do you trust that you are not being misled, or that there is not missing information? Are you sure that the person who sent you it is not just disgruntled? Do youfeel comfortable that you haven't consulted with a lawyer as to the liability, beyond losing your job, that you may expose yourself to, especially if the information IS wrong or mislading? Are you sure that it is even legal for you to disclose it? Are you ready to defend yourself in court against defamation/slander lawsuits from a company with near unlimited resources to litigate against you? Are you okay with becoming a pariah to people you used to consider friends or enjoyed working with?
If you consider all that, and your answer is still: "immediately and publicly release info and condemn company" Well, congrats on being the hero this world needs, but doesn't deserve. I wish we could all be more like you. But the rest of us are merely human.
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u/Bulky-Top3782 TH14 | BH10 2d ago
Honestly I don't see this going anywhere now. The company is not even acknowledging the allegations by Eric
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u/brady93355 2d ago
Gatekeeping information in a public game makes this quite sour. No point in asking for "Supercell to fix their game," they're paid off and making sure nobody exposes their bullshit. Played for over a decade and getting pretty tired of these updates and restrictions.
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u/SaucyStoveTop69 The Greatest Clash Of Clans Player That's Ever Walked This Earth 2d ago
99 notifications is crazy
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u/JadeNoodlesOfficial TH15 | BH10 2d ago edited 2d ago
this is standard for any large organization. most issues should be resolved internally rather than simply leaked to the public with no context. even if this whole drama wasnât happening, this would still be official policy.