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u/ajanidorsett 2d ago
It's so awful. I still know who I gotta vote for tho😞
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u/GoodShitBrain 2d ago
Don’t worry. At the end of the day, it’s the cabinet members, administration staff, and even nonpartisan government officials/workers that keep the country running. The question is…whose team do you trust more?
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u/Thor_2099 2d ago
The one who doesn't support project 2025 and that didn't attempt a fucking coup in the last election
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The one that doesn't have a pedophile with cases.
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u/GenericRedditor7 2d ago
Good luck with that
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*pedophile president with cases.
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u/GenericRedditor7 2d ago
That’s neither of them lol
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u/Diamondhands_Rex 2d ago
Even is 2025 wasn’t a thing we just need to remember almost 50 of his staff members quit or were fired in trumps term and they all sucked and only worked to benefit themselves the decision is not hard. We are voting for a figure head but the people they put in charge are the ones that will fuck us up. Trumps covid response was due to the people he had I charge to manage and he failed and we lost two years why do we want to lose four more and affect our future again?
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u/chaostheories36 2d ago
Trumps team was nearly all convicted felons, and now he is one, too. He didn’t hire the best people, he hired scum.
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u/Everard5 ☑️ 2d ago
One debate should be President and proposed cabinet vs challenger and proposed cabinet. Or proxies for the head of that exec department.
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u/Expert-Gift1917 2d ago
Or maybe neither team is here to help us??
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u/zekerthedog 2d ago
My student loans were forgiven because of actions taken by the Biden administration, otherwise I’d be paying for five more years.
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u/Expert-Gift1917 2d ago
Mine weren’t because the way this administration pursued the initial 10k debt relief. Good for you though, I know Ted Cruz is pissed even anyone got something. We need a real party for the working class, not one that does the bare minimum to keep us in line.
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u/zekerthedog 2d ago
They tried to forgive 10k and were blocked by conservative judges lol. You blame that on Biden?
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u/Expert-Gift1917 2d ago
I blame him for pursuing it over 2 years into his administration and using the pandemic as a legal justification (there’s precedent of presidents forgiving debt before then). The partisan judges may still have struck it down but I find the timing and process of the administration to be untrustworthy.
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u/zekerthedog 2d ago
Conspiracy theories are fun but in reality he tried to help you and you got ratfucked by republicans. There’s no hidden secret thing here.
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u/eastcoastelite12 2d ago
How else did you expect him to do it? The only way for those type of loans was the pandemic justification. Maybe he should have done it on day one but there was 4 years of rat fuckery that he needed to deal with. It takes time. Sorry you didn’t get want you needed but it is not for a lack of trying.
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u/Expert-Gift1917 2d ago
The pandemic was to easy a justification to shut down since it was basically over at that point. I just want a responsive administration that isn’t beholden to large corporations and a particular foreign country… neither clown on stage last night offers that so I must go anywhere else. I’m ready for the “emperor has no pants stage”.
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u/BrocolliBrad 2d ago
Funny thing about Ted Cruz is that I hear he likes to piss his pants because he likes the warm wet feeling between his legs.
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u/sillyadam94 2d ago
Vote Green
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u/Universoulja 2d ago
Lol no
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u/sillyadam94 2d ago
🤷♂️you do you… that said, if they get enough votes, they qualify for federal funding and have a better chance at getting on more ballots in the future, becoming included in televised debates, and overall dismantling the two-party system. That’s why I’ll vote Green. Especially since I live in California where voting Blue is like taking a piss in the ocean.
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u/GoodShitBrain 2d ago
Did you see what the Supreme Court did today? Gutted federal agency protections (Chevron deference). Imagine 4 more years of trump and an even more stacked conservative court. Alito, Thomas, Sotomayor are gonna go soon, they’ll be replaced with much younger conservative justices
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u/finny_d420 2d ago
At the end of the day, I'm confident in the people Biden has appointed to his admin. We have competent intelligent qualified for the job adults doing the business of the government. Do I agree with all of their policies? No. Do I believe TFG & GQP would do a similar job? Hell no. One side may be beholden to big business/lobbyists, etc, but they are invested in a functional democracy. The other side is throwing monkey poop in conjunction with their fascists yearning, wanting to turn us into Gilead.
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u/Curiouso_Giorgio 2d ago
Biden might be old, he might be declining cognitively, but as long as he's not put in a position where he is unilaterally making snap decisions, I think he's still capable enough, experienced enough and has surrounded himself with enough smart people to do a good job as president.
My grandpa was like Biden at the same stage in his life, and he'd get a bit confused at times, but essentially, he was as smart and as capable as when he was younger, he just took a bit longer to process things.
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u/gumbygump11 ☑️ 2d ago
& it pisses me off. Why do the senior citizens still have so much control? Is Gen-X too soft to step up?
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u/thtamthrfckr 2d ago
Marge built funny Greene and Butthead sex trafficker Gaetz are both Gen- x, the best aren’t signing up
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u/TheWrightStripes 2d ago
These two aren't even boomers they're the silent generation. Hell I'd take some boomers stepping up over this.
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u/HatefulDan 2d ago
The liveliest part of the debate is when they incoherently went back and forth about their god damn golf handicaps.
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u/yumyumapollo 2d ago
Shame on us for thinking we could let two old men talk about golf without it getting competitive.
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u/Nintendo1964 2d ago
This wasn't a debate at all. This was a recorded session of ramblings from two old men in a nursing home, waiting for their tuna sandwiches and medications.
Is there a word for feeling both sadness and embarrassment?
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u/PunishedWolf4 2d ago
Idk but I’ve heard more coherent arguments between homeless people at bus stops in D.C.
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u/dizzymidget44 2d ago
How do you feel about healthcare
Trump: the immigrants stole the black jobs and nobody even likes Biden
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u/NetworkDeestroyer 3d ago edited 2d ago
This is worrying that this is the best we can do… Biden def checked out over an hour ago, and Trump could barely answer a question properly and instead rambles off about stuff that has nothing to do with the question.
We need to be wise on the next election cycle cause this is utterly disappointing.
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u/Expert-Gift1917 2d ago
Well the dems did not hold a real primary so we didn’t even have the chance to be “wise” in this one. We’ll see what games they have next time around.
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u/dkirk526 2d ago
Historically, incumbent presidents never hold a primary.
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u/killafofun 2d ago
Historically the candidate running for office isn't 81 years old
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u/dkirk526 2d ago
Fair enough, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it shouldn’t have been expected unless there was any previous indication he wouldn’t run again.
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u/Altruistic-Fan-6487 2d ago
lmao he was “indicating to aides” that he was going to be a 1 term president.
They just say what people wanna here then get into power and stay as long as they can.
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u/Mistavez 2d ago
It’s a fuckin nightmare. These are the options we are left with?
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u/Deathstriker88 2d ago
This simulation sucks, I want my money back. My guy had a heart attack and he's still more stable than these two.
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u/Grouchy_Wind_5396 3d ago
We got the orange felon vs. Mr. Lights are on but No One's home. Heaven help us.
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u/logicalcommenter4 ☑️ 2d ago
My concern is that so many people who would have voted for a qualified democrat are going to sit this election out because they see Biden barely holding on while he’s on stage. Trump gets convicted of felonies and his campaign takes in millions of dollars in support from his base. Trump’s fans are ALL IN and will come out to vote for him. I think that this is pretty much a done deal unfortunately. I blame the Democratic Party for banking on the fear of Trump being in office as sufficient reason for people to vote for Biden.
Biden also didn’t do himself any favors with the younger democrats when he was proud of the guns that they are providing Israel. Almost every younger democrat I know (outside of some of my Jewish friends) are against the actions that Israel is taking in Palestine and view it as a genocide. So that is a tone deaf response by Biden and doesn’t help him get more young votes.
In fact there was a poll on this done a month or so ago:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/04/politics/democrats-young-biden-gaza-war
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u/CaliGoneTexas 2d ago
I 100% agree. I personally think the main leaders in the DNC are old white boomers that don’t want to pass the torch to the younger generation bc their ideas are different and they are more diverse. They would rather take a risk on letting Trump be president and ruin the country than let the younger people in their own party take over.
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u/Diamondhands_Rex 2d ago
We have so many younger people that the old money can’t let go of the reigns even though they will die soon. Their reality could’ve been so much better if they just loved the generations THEY created
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u/marshallhasbananas 2d ago
The sad truth is that unironically young people don't matter because they don't show up and vote. Old people LOVE Israel, and that is who Biden is playing to.
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u/logicalcommenter4 ☑️ 2d ago
By young I meant anyone not a boomer. I’m 41 years old and no one I know wants to vote for Biden. Many of us will still vote because we recognize the impact that the President can have on things like the Supreme Court, but I am also part of a group of people that recognize the importance of voting and the potential long lasting implications. I don’t think I represent the majority of potential voters and that is where my concern comes in. There aren’t enough boomers to make up the difference because Trump has both young and old people supporting him.
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u/kadrilan 2d ago
The commentary around this debate so appallingly stupid. Folks. If this is what you need to figure out how to vote read a gyodDAYUM book ffs.
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u/OneMeterWonder 2d ago
JFC THANK YOU! The only people who need a debate to help them decide how to vote are fucking morons in the first place.
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u/jdd27 2d ago
Yeah but the average white person in the battleground states is also appallingly stupid
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u/kadrilan 2d ago
2016: trump loses popular vote
2018: Dem landslide
2020: Dem trifecta
2022: red wave is a red trickle
Also 2022: SCROTUS overturns roe
2023/2024 special elections: T-Pain - All We Do Is Win
I'm concerned about this election only cuz I'm still traumatized from 2016. But even dumdum SLWD's don't wanna lose their rights...mostly.
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u/FistPunch_Vol_7 ☑️ 2d ago
Shit was rough to watch. Curious how Reddit going through messages and post problems during that shit
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u/MusesWithWine 2d ago
Funny how people forget there’s a VP for a reason. I’ll side easily with that fact.
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u/OneMeterWonder 2d ago
Debates are for undecideds and morons. Whoops, sorry for the redundancy there.
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u/Adiwantstobattle 2d ago
Shit was a nightmare, not a dream. For all the many faults that America has, I love the country, and I believe that the American people are fundamentally good honest people. We deserve way better than these two corpses we got on stage.
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u/Longstrong_Rip_1933 2d ago
It's absolutely insane that these are our choices.
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u/NutNegotiation 2d ago
The best president since FDR vs an adjudicated rapist. It really is a depressing decision
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u/SpaceBus1 2d ago
Regardless of your political ideologies, I think we can all agree one is terrible, but qualified and the other is just terrible
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u/NutNegotiation 2d ago
No we can’t agree on that because I actually pay attention and saying Biden is “terrible” is just wrong. That’s like saying we can all agree that Messi is terrible because he’s not good at throw ins and he plays in the US. Biden is old. Biden will probably need other people to step in in the next four years. Biden is historically terrible during debates. Biden is the most effective and progressive president the US has had in 70 years. All of these are facts
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u/Standard_One_5827 2d ago
Black America waiting at the entrance of both parties’ conventions this year.
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u/TiredPanda69 2d ago
Theyre gonna put some young dude and make us all believe everything is going to be fixed cause hes young.
As if being young could stop them from doing the bidding of the rich
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u/EE-420-Lige 2d ago
Not voting for biden voting for his administration if project 2025 enacted voting will be meaningless
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u/SockFullOfNickles 2d ago
A fever dream.
Let last night finally be the wake up call that the DNC needs to get that hubris ridden walking corpse off the ticket. It never should have gotten this far in the first place but the “DC Bubble” is very real, much to the dismay of the onlooking crowd.
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u/EyeDissTroyKnotSeas 2d ago
I mean, how do you respond to someone spitting nonsense and refusing to stay on-topic while an incompetent, neutered "moderator" team avoids fact-checking like a DM from Diddy? Not saying he couldn't have done better just by clowning Trump non-stop. But I'd definitely have that same look many times during that "debate."
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u/Consistent_Trash6007 1d ago
The debate doesn’t matter because neither one of them will bring progress
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u/GuessTraining 2d ago
At this point let them play presidents but remove their powers. Treat them like royals in the UK, just figureheads
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u/Divic0 2d ago
Let him serve out past July 4th. Resigns to spend time with his family/make up a medical scare.
Dare democrats to not vote for the first black female president in Kamala. Spend the next 5 months rehabbing her image.
I sincerely think this is the best way forward.
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u/dazedmazed ☑️ 2d ago
As a black woman there is no way in hell I would vote for Kamala Harris. It has nothing to do with her race or gender. You can’t just vote for someone because of their race. I don’t believe in what she stands for.
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u/CharmingCoyote1363 2d ago
Kamala Harris is the female Uncle Ruckus the fuck are you talking about?
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u/Cautious_Ambition_82 2d ago
Biden has known serious pain.
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u/apokalypse124 2d ago
He sure looked like he was in serious pain
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u/girlsumps ☑️ 2d ago
His wife and daughter were killed in a car accident, his son died of brain cancer, his other son was unsurprisingly a drug addict and Biden himself had aneurysms and had to have emergency brain surgery. Jokes aside, he definitely hasn’t had an easy life.
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u/GalaxyPatio 2d ago
They're not actual options because there are like 20 of them, and each of them have 8 supporters that would never vote for the other ones because of one reason or another. Plus, the time to throw support behind the supposed third options is during local elections, midterms, etc, not 4 months before the general.
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u/CCLB43 2d ago
You niggas still playing the voting game tho? Give it a rest.
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u/Justalittlejewish 2d ago
Deciding to not participate in the system isn’t some noble act, it’s just throwing your voice away bro
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u/Kaboodles 2d ago
These people think their complaints matter too. No need to even address them at this point smh
I don't vote and my life STILL sucks type shit (apathy is a losers mentality)
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u/CCLB43 2d ago
In regard to my voice, actions speak louder than words 🤷🏾♂️
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u/Justalittlejewish 2d ago
Voting is the single biggest action you can take to affect change dude. Yea the system sucks, but it will not be fixed from the outside.
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u/CCLB43 2d ago
A system that sucks, has always sucked especially for my demo, collectively. I’m not a victim of the hope merchants that are the US Gov’t 🤷🏾♂️. I’m trapped in it, it is what it is. Voting is a social ego boost if anything
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u/Justalittlejewish 2d ago
One side objectively wants to take away more rights but you do you bro. I don't get any ego boost out of voting for Joe Biden I can tell you that much
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u/OneMeterWonder 2d ago
I guarantee you nobody notices or cares if you don’t vote. Actually no I’m wrong. If you have a history of voting a certain way, then there might in fact be people who have a vested interest in you not voting.
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u/CCLB43 2d ago
I’m not not voting for attention tho so people noticing or caring is irrelevant.
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u/OneMeterWonder 2d ago
You are though. You’re doing it in implicit protest of a system you perceive as being highly flawed. Protest is inherently an attempt to initiate change in a system by bringing attention to oneself and related issues.
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u/CCLB43 2d ago
How is it a protest when I really don’t care? I’m not even following the lies of policy change / reasons to vote that’s typically in this political season. Def. not a protest when it’s not a focus or priority.
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u/OneMeterWonder 2d ago
Then why are you even talking about it here?
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u/Primary-Bookkeeper10 ☑️ 3d ago edited 3d ago
Trump: "TEN BILLION ILLEGAL PRISONERS ARE COMING TO KILL AMERICA. THEY'RE COMING. THEY'RE HERE. UKRAINE IS A SCAM."
BIDEN: "LOOK, HERE'S THE DEAL. MELONS MULLUNS..."
TAPPER: "MR. PRESIDENT, YOU STILL HAVE 40 SECONDS."