r/ANGEL • u/AxelNoir • 11d ago
Spike's probably the best thing to happen to this show honestly
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u/TrueSonOfChaos 11d ago
I wish we got 3+ seasons of Spike and Angel at Wolfram and Hart
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u/AxelNoir 11d ago
Oh yeah definitely, just more of Spike and Angel in general would've been great, imagine them in like a buddy cop duo spinoff lol
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u/ExcelCat 11d ago
Love this episode... him unloading on his father without hesitation; crazy and awesome and crazy.
And yea, that Spike scene was funny af.
Then the final(ish) one where Knox walks in on Wes and Fred. Fuck you Knox.
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u/DragonflyWing 10d ago
That moment where he instantly shoots, without a blink or a flinch, is one of my favorite moments of the entire show!
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u/AxelNoir 11d ago
Yeah that was pretty dark honestly, very tough stuff but it's such a testament to how far Wesley has come since his appearance in BtVS years prior, really love it
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u/Competitive_Image_51 10d ago
Spike always funny as fk he was the best part of angel season 5. He annoyed angel so much.
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u/suikofan80 11d ago
Spike never knowing when he’s not wanted or when to stop talking really kept the group together in S5. Imagine if he wasn’t there Angel would’ve been all alone in his office, Senior Partners probably would’ve won.
It really is amazing how they shot this episode around Alexis Denisof’s face being paralyzed. Him being in shadow or having a blank face really works for the episode. It’s a good example of the writing, directing, set/lighting, and the actor working as one.
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u/AxelNoir 11d ago
Yeah I agree, he brought a lot of much needed comic relief and characterwork to the season for sure. Also what do you mean paralyzed? Was Denisof in some accident or something in real life?...
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u/ReallyGlycon 11d ago
He had a stroke not but a couple months before this episode was shot.
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u/Electrical-Act-7170 4d ago
No, he had Bell's Palsy. It isn't a stroke, just a facial paralysis.
Pretty scary when you wake up like that, though.
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u/SillyAdditional 11d ago
Haha I love this part of the episode
Everyone’s trying to comfort him 😂
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u/thefuzzybunny1 11d ago
Culminating with him telling Fred, "If you've come to tell me how you killed your parents..." I think they missed an opportunity by not giving him a moment with Lorne, whose parents canonically hated him.
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u/asiantorontonian88 10d ago
Lorne was stupidly underutilized in Season 5.
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u/thefuzzybunny1 10d ago
Yeah it was weird how little they did with his embrace of the dark side at Wolfram & Heart.
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u/AxelNoir 11d ago
All jokes aside I also want to say this episode is just brilliant and really hits home as someone who's had to live with a parent much like Wesley's with the constant disapproval and lack of any validation/confidence, it's a bit tough to watch sometimes honestly but I really appreciate having it be somewhat relatable.
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u/littleliongirless 11d ago
Alexis was crazy good in this episode. He had to hit so many different emotional notes, and he was so understated and heartbreaking in all of them.
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u/AxelNoir 11d ago
He's such a fantastic actor honestly, one of my favorites and I can totally see why Alyson married him!!
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u/Itchy-Tune-3520 10d ago
Crushing on Spike & Angel as a kid
Crushing on Wesley as an adult
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u/hatcherry 6d ago
On rewatches now, knowing his whole story, I even like annoying Buffy-S3 Wesley. Plus, Alexis is handsome as hell, lmao.
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u/ManoftheHour777 11d ago
Spike took both Buffy and Angel from great to legendary. Drusilla and Darla as well.
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u/Pancaaaked Is There A Geppetto In The House? 11d ago
Knowing that my favorite Buffyverse character is alive and kicking after all was a breath of fresh air. Especially coming off the heels of such a divisive season.
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u/AxelNoir 11d ago
Right?? I was sure he was dead after Season 7 and I was about to cry but then he shows up all dandy and ghostly and I yelped lol
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u/Pancaaaked Is There A Geppetto In The House? 11d ago
Makes the BTVS ending much easier to swallow lol
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u/zanthine 10d ago
Just for the astronaut/ caveman argument even! Spike makes everything a little better.
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u/Weekly-Rest1033 10d ago
I'm in the minority. Spike was okay. But season 5 Angel was peak without the Spike scenes. Wesley was phenomenal.
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u/AxelNoir 10d ago
I can respect that for sure, I think S5 would still have been fantastic without Spike too but he certainly filled a bit of that void that was the hole left without Cordelia for me personally
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u/EssayTraditional 10d ago
James Marsters attended PCPA theatre in 1980 from Santa Maria, CA which also trained actors Kathy Bates, Zac Efron, Robin Williams for improv and Josh Brolin.
James Marsters dropped out of Juilliard Academy at one point.
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u/LovesDeanWinchester 10d ago
I believe Spike coming to Angel was the reason they got a season 5.
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u/AxelNoir 10d ago
I'm glad because ending on Season 4 would have really sucked honestly
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u/LovesDeanWinchester 10d ago
Totally. As it is, even though we didn't want it to end, the finale is one of the best in TV history!!!
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9d ago
Angel will always be my favourite vampire!
Angel the series is still amazing without Spike. But I'm glad they brought him over in season 5 because his dynamic with Angel is really enjoyable.
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u/darinani 10d ago
Best THING to happen can be interpreted in a lot of different ways, but in my opinion, down to characters arriving and staying, Fred was the best(followed by Gunn).
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u/AxelNoir 10d ago
Totally fair, my favorite character on Angel would probably have to be Wesley or S1/2 Cordy if I'll be honest. I really liked Doyle too actually...
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u/The810kid 11d ago
This Spike scene is so Spike but I actually get more amusement from Angel trying to console Wes when he awkwardly tells Wes one of the first things he did as a vampire was kill his father.